Oregon "standoff"

[Ben in LA]

Now what do you think would have happened if someone non-white had posted this?



So dude was killed. So fucking what.

[dreamon]

FBI's own footage shows Finicum with his hands in the air when he is shot and killed.

[fred41]

That's a load of horseshit...you can have whatever views you want...but don't be one of those assholes that insists on saying what happens, when a tape YOU supply, clearly shows otherwise. He wasn't shot when he had his hands up....he was shot when he kept reaching into his pocket.

[Ben in LA]

That's a load of horseshit...you can have whatever views you want...but don't be one of those assholes that insists on saying what happens, when a tape YOU supply, clearly shows otherwise. He wasn't shot when he had his hands up....he was shot when he kept reaching into his pocket.

Exactly. Video showed that the cops pulled up on Tamir Rice and shot him without hesitation...yet folks STILL blame him for his own death.

[broncofan]

Thank you. I feel better about the shooting after seeing that.

[broncofan]

I swear to God I could not dislike a family more than I dislike the Bundy family. Degenerate shithead Cliven Bundy says it looked like an assassination to him. Time for the government to collect the money he owes them. As Fred says, he was obviously reaching for a gun. Stupidity knows no fucking bounds. Are the police supposed to let this asshole shoot them? Is that it?

[EZWind]

There's one "eyewitness" claims Finicum was surrendering on his knees with his hands in the air when he was shot in cold blood. I understand Carly Fiorina was repeating this version.

....heh heh.....good one
....ya gotta love ole shit for brains Carly "don't confuse me with the truth my mind is made up" Fiorina
....true to form, she's sticking with her delusional rant over Planned Parenthood, despite the fact that the court has cleared PP of any and all of those bogus claims and actually turned around and indicted the pair that perpetrated the hoax in the first place. a court in TEXAS, btw....and with a GOP prosecutor....just boggles the mind
...I can't fathom how she manages to garner even the embarrassingly minuscule percentages that she has has in the polls

[trish]

...I can't fathom how she manages to garner even the embarrassingly minuscule percentages that she has has in the polls

You'd be surprised at how many truth-deniers there are in the U.S. Those are voters she's going for. She hopes to get them by being the most blatant and most insistent liar in the race. Unfortunately for her (and us) she's being outdone by even better and more insistent liars.

[trish]

FBI's own footage shows Finicum with his hands in the air when he is shot and killed

Thanks for posting the vid. It shows that finicum's hands were up in frame 5:57 (of the posted vid). Also up and out in frames 5:58 to 6:00. Frames 6:01 and 6:02 shows his arms down, elbows out and hands at his waist. Frame 6:03 he seems to be reaching for something at his waist. The agent in front of him has his gun raised. Frame 6:04 he's turning (possibly becoming aware of the agent behind). 6:05 seems to me without further evidence to be the earliest the fatal shot may have been fired. Finicum's hands are not up. In 6:06 he may be falling. In 6:07 he's down.

If firearms deter, then they also intimidate, escalate and accelerate.

[dreamon]

His hands were up when the first shot was fired. His hands only went down because they went to where he had just been shot. He was murdered.