Buyer Beware! Transsensual.com Is Streaming Only!

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Theft means taking something and consequently depriving another person of that item that was taken. If I download a stream, I haven't deprived anyone of their property and thus it is not theft. If I download a torrent, I have not deprived anyone of their property and thus it is not theft. If I watch a tube video, I have not deprived anyone of their property, and thus it is not theft.

This is millennial bullshit.

You deprive the artists and capitalists involved the right to profit from their work.

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This is millennial bullshit.

No, it's fact. And the artists and capitalists rights aren't infringed at all. They are still free to sell their good at whatever price they please.

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No, it's fact. And the artists and capitalists rights aren't infringed at all. They are still free to sell their good at whatever price they please.

But not to you, or anyone who downloads a torrent posted by the thief of the first instance.

Do it if you want- just call it what it is.

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But not to you, or anyone who downloads a torrent posted by the thief of the first instance.

Also false. Not only do they still have the right to profit from us (often via various successful media services from Netflix to Spotify which have popped up in the internet age of world that still make them a viable and competitive option), I've bought plenty of music and movies that I first downloaded. If it's worth it, I have no problem supporting the artist or industry.

See: http://www.theguardian.com/music/200...buy-more-music

I'm calling it exactly what it is and it's not stealing because we're not depriving anything from anyone.

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Also false. Not only do they still have the right to profit from us (often via various successful media services from Netflix to Spotify which have popped up in the internet age of world that still make them a viable and competitive option), I've bought plenty of music and movies that I first downloaded. If it's worth it, I have no problem supporting the artist or industry.

See: http://www.theguardian.com/music/200...buy-more-music

I'm calling it exactly what it is and it's not stealing because we're not depriving anything from anyone.

Sophistry, but that's OK for you.

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Simply saying it is doesn't make it so, but I'll take your lack of rational arguments as a concession. =)

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and so the ranting of a crazy "PERSON" has derailed what was shaping up to be a franklin rant over downloading porn into the legality of download what was legally paid for??? that is the main point here...not about downloading and trying something or illegally downloading a torrent or from a file locker...franklin paid for a membership and as the TOS does not say videos are not to be downloaded, he should feel free to save a copy of what he has streamed for his private non-commercial use.

Netflix for example specifically states it in their TOS.
e. You agree to use the Netflix service, including all features and functionalities associated therewith, in accordance with all applicable laws, rules and regulations, or other restrictions on use of the service or content therein. You agree not to archive, download (other than through caching necessary for personal use),

Therefore, I stand by what I said in the post that was deleted...the issue here is that Transsensual.com failed to add the requisite language to their TOS

[GroobySteven]

Also false. Not only do they still have the right to profit from us (often via various successful media services from Netflix to Spotify which have popped up in the internet age of world that still make them a viable and competitive option), I've bought plenty of music and movies that I first downloaded. If it's worth it, I have no problem supporting the artist or industry.

See: http://www.theguardian.com/music/200...buy-more-music

I'm calling it exactly what it is and it's not stealing because we're not depriving anything from anyone.

It's absolute theft.
You've stolen directly from my company. We paid to produce that content and in turn, need to make the budget back in order to pay our wages and expenses. You've taken it for free, you've not paid to view it. It was stolen from us - and you are stealing it by downloading/watching on a tube when you know it's been stolen.
To use an earlier analogy, if you break into a golf course and play for free, then you are also stealing.

You can kid yourself as much as you want - but at least when I download a movie or watch a tube, I'm aware of what I'm doing.

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BTW as far as a pay site goes, I feel if it's streaming only and you find a way to be able to download it for your own personal use, then that is fair usage.
I'd support websites going to a fully streaming mode or a hybrid DRM system (can be downloaded but would stop working depending on what 'usage' you selected and paid for) but as it's not industry norm, I believe sites that don't allow downloading at the moment, will fail.

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It's absolute theft.

No. But let's see how you explain how it is.

You've stolen directly from my company.

This is just reiterating your point, no explanation here.

We paid to produce that content and in turn, need to make the budget back in order to pay our wages and expenses.

This is true. Doesn't explain how it's stealing, but perhaps you tie it in later.

You've taken it for free,

True.

you've not paid to view it.

Yeah that's what it means to have taken it for free. Again, needlessly repeating yourself.

It was stolen from us

Reiterating your original point again with no explanation.

- and you are stealing it by downloading/watching on a tube when you know it's been stolen.

Again you've said it's stealing without any explanation as to how it logically fits. You're still in possession of the media that has been shared among others, therefore it hasn't been stolen from you. I suppose the hypothetical video could have been physically taken from a store (i.e. actual theft), but in the internet age, that is highly unlikely and I certainly don't know that.

To use an earlier analogy, if you break into a golf course and play for free, then you are also stealing.

I didn't break into anything and the first person to put a piece of media on the web for free is almost always a person who purchased it (or purchased a membership with access to it). Very rarely is it the result of a hacking. This analogy isn't apt.

You can kid yourself as much as you want - but at least when I download a movie or watch a tube, I'm aware of what I'm doing.

Not stealing that's for sure. That would require that you deprive a person of the item that you're taken. Downloading a video or watching a tube stream does not do so.