Everyone here help bree!

[EZWind]

She defaced a monument on capital grounds,

...Dream on, dreamon...you're dead wrong. That's what she's CHARGED with. What she actually did was to SAVE face for the entire state of South Carolina. That piece of cloth is nothing but an emblem of hate, oppression and treason and has no business being displayed anywhere on any gov't property.

[dreamon]

...Dream on, dreamon...you're dead wrong. That's what she's CHARGED with. What she actually did was to SAVE face for the entire state of South Carolina. That piece of cloth is nothing but an emblem of hate, oppression and treason and has no business being displayed anywhere on any gov't property.

They charged her with it because she did it. There is even a video of it.

[dreamon]

The Battle Flag is part of the Confederate Monument which honors the fallen soldiers from South Carolina in the Civil War.

[EZWind]

They charged her with it because she did it.

...actually, no, she did nothing of the sort......wrong again. There is no monument. What there is, is a flag pole honoring the symbol of a group of people who kept other people as slaves and who, in order to keep owning their slaves, were willing to secede from the United States (treason) even if it meant killing Americans (murder) in order to achieve that goal. Nothing monumental about that. but keep going....you're batting 1000 so far

[EZWind]

The Battle Flag is part of the Confederate Monument which honors the fallen soldiers from South Carolina in the Civil War.

....where is the honor in owning and enslaving another human being?

[dreamon]

...actually, no, she did nothing of the sort......wrong again. There is no monument. What there is, is a flag pole honoring the symbol of a group of people who kept other people as slaves and who, in order to keep owning their slaves, were willing to secede from the United States (treason) even if it meant killing Americans (murder) in order to achieve that goal. Nothing monumental about that. but keep going....you're batting 1000 so far

There is no monument? She did nothing of the sort? I just posted a video of her doing exactly something of the sort lol. And here's a photograph of the monument....



Are you being willfully ignorant or are you really that out of touch with reality?

[lifeisfiction]

Maybe this thread might be best suited in the politics section.

(This is why the South still calls us Yankees. I won't say I agree or disagree with anything, but most people who have never lived in the South tend to have weird ideas about them that are stereotypical and off base. I am just talking from my observation of living there for three years. It's just a different world.)

[natina]

THE GREAT NEWS IS THAT THAT FLAG IS COMING DOWN!

Survey: Confederate flag push reaches key milestone in SC

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — A survey of South Carolina legislators shows there's enough support to remove the Confederate flag from Statehouse grounds if all supporters cast a vote.

The Post and Courier newspaper, the South Carolina Press Association and The Associated Press asked all lawmakers how they intend to vote. At least 33 senators and 82 House members say they the flag should go.

That appears to meet the two-thirds majority needed from both chambers to move the battle flag. That rule is part of the 2000 compromise that took the flag off the Statehouse dome and put a square version beside a monument to Confederate soldiers.

The flag push follows the shooting deaths of nine people at a black church in Charleston. The pastor, state Sen. Clementa Pinckney, was among the dead.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sur...-sc/ar-AAcisjl

[natina]

Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush Say Confederate Flag Should be Removed

Those calling for the removal of the Confederate flag that is flying above the grounds of South Carolina’s state Capitol received support from two Republicans on Saturday. Mitt Romney was by far the most forceful. The 2012 Republican presidential nominee did not mince words, taking to Twitter to write: “Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol. To many, it is a symbol of racial hatred. Remove it now to honor #Charleston victims.”

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush wasn’t as direct but his words left little room for interpretation. In a post on Facebook, Bush said that his position “is clear” on what should be done with the flag. "In Florida, we acted, moving the flag from the state grounds to a museum where it belonged," Bush said. "This is obviously a very sensitive time in South Carolina and our prayers are with the families, the AME church community and the entire state. Following a period of mourning, there will rightly be a discussion among leaders in the state about how South Carolina should move forward and I'm confident they will do the right thing." Bush's words appeared to closely echo President Obama's views on the issue. “The president has said before he believes the Confederate flag belongs in a museum, and that is still his position,” spokesman Eric Schultz told reporters aboard Air Force One on Friday.

Other Republican contenders got close to the line but fell short of saying the flag should be removed outright. Carly Fiorina, for example, said she agrees the flag is a “symbol of racial hatred” but her “personal opinion is not what’s relevant here,” according to the Associated Press. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, meanwhile, told the Washington Post that South Carolina is the one that has to decide what to do about the flag. “I think that’s a question for South Carolina, and the last thing they need is people from outside the state coming in and dictating how they should resolve that issue,” Cruz said.
Although Romney’s strong statement was surprising considering how Republican leaders have appeared reluctant to discuss the role of race in the church shooting in South Carolina, the New York Times points out that the former governor has been speaking up against the flag for years. “That flag shouldn’t be flown,” Romney said in 2008. “That’s not a flag I recognize.”




http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate..._carolina.html

[natina]

Eviction Notice

The GOP wanted to keep pandering on the Confederate flag. Why they couldn’t this time.

Three days ago, Republicans were struggling to answer questions on the Confederate battle flag, which flies on the South Carolina state capitol grounds in Columbia. Even under ordinary circumstances, national Republicans have a hard time with the flag. To reject it is to rebuke the countless white Southerners who claim it as heritage, despite its historic meaning as a symbol of resistance to civil rights. But there’s no victory in embracing it either—it opens you to national criticism of taking part in the worst forms of insensitivity and pandering. And so, for decades, most Republicans muddled around the issue in a not-so-subtle nod to white Southern identity politics. (To his credit, Mitt Romney refused to pander on the flag in 2007 during his first run for the White House, while John McCain called his decision to pander on the flag during his 2000 presidential campaign one of his greatest regrets.)
But muddling wasn’t an option this time. Republicans weren’t just responding to the flag, they were responding to a brutal attack on a historic black church in Charleston. The attack, which killed nine people (including a state senator), was motivated by hate and allegedly carried out by a young white supremacist, Dylann Roof, who wanted to spark a “race war” against black Americans. No, Roof wasn’t inspired to commit his crime by the Confederate flag, but in photos posted online he clearly used the imagery in its original meaning—as a symbol of anti-black animus and racial subjugation. In response to the attack, a bevy of activists—and ordinary South Carolinians—called on the state to remove the flag from the capitol. “The flag has to come down,” said Cornell Brooks, president of the NAACP.
Desperate to deflect and avoid offending white South Carolinians but aware of the circumstances, Republicans tried to sidestep the issue or at least split the difference. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, Mike Huckabee, Ben Carson, and Rick Santorum labeled the flag a state issue. “If the state government of South Carolina wishes to address an issue in their state, that’s fine,” said Huckabee, who took an even more aggressive “states’ rights” stance in his first presidential run in 2008. Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, meanwhile, tried a noncommittal approach that acknowledged emotions on both sides. “I think a governor’s job should be one to bring people together, not to divide them and I think the Confederate battle flag is clearly one of those that divides people,” said Perry. Cruz’s statement was a little more cognizant of the flag’s true historic meaning. “I understand the passions that this debate evokes on both sides,” said Cruz. “Both those who see a history of racial oppression and a history of slavery, which is the original sin of our nation.”

Into all of this comes Nikki Haley, Republican governor of South Carolina, serving her second term after winning a nearly 15-point re-election victory last fall. On Friday, she was cautious, telling CBS that she hoped the state could have a conversation with “thoughtful words to be exchanged,” and adding “I think the state will start talking about that again, and we’ll see where it goes.”

On Monday, however—pushed by public outrage—she had changed her tune. In an afternoon press conference with Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott, as well as Democratic Rep. James Clyburn, GOP Congressman and former Gov. Mark Sanford, and a whole host of state lawmakers from both parties, Haley urged South Carolina legislators to take down the flag. “It’s time to move the flag from the Capitol grounds,” said the governor, stating that while residents have the right to show the flag on their property, ”the Statehouse is different, and the events of this past week call upon us to look at this in a different way.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...orced_the.html