No tipping allowed!

[AshlynCreamher]

No tipping allowed! Is that good or bad for diners, wait staff?
POSTED 1:12 PM, DECEMBER 23, 2014, BY CNN WIRE

NEW YORK — Imagine a table of diners at a high-end restaurant, getting up and leaving after their meal without leaving a tip.

Sound like a case of rude customers or poor service? It could just be the future of dining out, as more restaurants implement no-tipping policies, and use alternative menu pricing to compensate employees.

“There is a growing movement to change the way tipped workers are paid,” said Jay Holland, government affairs coordinator at the New York State Restaurant Association.

Starting Jan. 1, patrons of Bar Agricole and its sister restaurant Trou Normand in San Francisco will not be expected to leave a tip.

Instead, owner Thad Vogler has decided to increase his menu prices by 20 percent to pay the staff and eliminate any end-of-dinner math calculations.

“It’s time for the restaurant business to be more like every other industry and charge what’s appropriate rather than relying on other people to compensate its workers,” said Vogler....

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Is this liberalism? I've known most liberals to be agenst competition "everyone should be treated equally" right? Why should Marcy get the $100 tip and Nancy only gets a $5 tip. After all Nancy is clumsy and forgetful, leaving her customers waiting for that little bowl of mayo. Meanwhile Marcy will never keep a customer waiting, Marcy works hard for her tips because she reliance upon these tips to pay her rent.

If you are not allowed to tip your waitresses than why should the waitress offer hospitable service???

[trish]

What isn't fair is that in many places, if it weren't for tips, the wait staff wouldn't make enough money to buy groceries or pay the rent. On the other hand, if you count tips, many chefs bring home less than the wait staff. It's crazy. Worker's should be paid a fair and living wage, and the income they make should be declared.

No one can make a law to prevent you from tipping someone for their service (if the service is legal). A restaurant can only have a policy, they can't make a law. If you don't like their policy, don't give them your patronage. That's capitalism.

If you are not allowed to tip your waitresses than why should the waitress offer hospitable service???

Because it's what she's being paid to do. Should an employer continue to pay someone who's not doing their job?

[Jericho]

I'm British (no shit, Sherlock!),so I've never understood this tipping nonsense.
And as a socialist (yes, i know that's a dirty word to some of you), it proper boils my piss, that someone working a fulltime job has to rely on tips to make a living a wage...That's not right.
I'd rather pay extra for a cup of cawfi!

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everybody,

In many countries, a certain percentage is automatically added to a bill.

Not in Montréal, Canada. Where i live, if you don't tip a server who serves your drinks or meals, you'll get crappy service when you go back.

Even in a bar, if you don't tip your server for your drinks, you can expect to get completely ignored by the servers - they will even tell each other to avoid your table.
You might even be told straight out to tip the server after you didn't leave a tip a few times.

In Montréal, servers are paid less on their hourly wage because they receive tips.
Being a server can be big money, where they go home nightly with 100 - 200 dollars in tips - plus the measly salary.

So when you don't tip them, they go home with less pay.
And then they are taxed on their tips by the government. Some establishments figure out what you should receive in tips based on your sales, and that amount is reported to the government.

So, i think it really depends where you are.

Babe,
xoxo

[Plaything]

Always liked the US 'Buy-Back' vibe.

Great service?

Recognise it.

Unless you think Maccy D's is a restaurant..

I agree with Jericho in principle...but then, there is the real world.

If I get really personable service I'm happy to recognise it.

Minimum wage is a political imperative and it stinks.

Reward excellence.

On the flip side.

Any % for service added before you have been served?

Keep walking.

To Maccy D's if necessary.

[Ben in LA]

Boy did I make a lot in tips on Mothers and Fathers Day back when I worked at M&Ms...

[Jericho]

Great service?
Recognise it.
Unless you think Maccy D's is a restaurant..

But...what if you get 'great service' at Maccy D's?
If you're going to recognize it at one place, why not everywhere?
You tip your taxi driver, why not your bus driver?
Or is there an element of snobbery involved?

Minimum wage is a political imperative and it stinks.

[/QUOTE]

I would agree. Minimum wage is a fucking joke bulked out by government subsidies, and sidestepped by zero-hour contracts.
But then, nobody mentioned "minimum wage".

[fred41]

But...what if you get 'great service' at Maccy D's?
If you're going to recognize it at one place, why not everywhere?
You tip your taxi driver, why not your bus driver?
Or is there an element of snobbery involved?

McDonald's doesn't do table service...and most bus drivers, at least here in the major cities, are municipal workers (which usually can't accept gratuities) and get decent salaries and health/retirement benefits.

...but charter bus drivers sometimes get tips.

...it has become quite common in NYC for there to be a tip cup on almost every counter top though. I'm a big tipper when it comes to restaurants and my barber...but I'm not tipping someone for giving me the proper change at a grocery store.

[Jericho]

Ok, maybe the bus thing was a bad example, but, you get my drift.

...it has become quite common in NYC for there to be a tip cup on almost every counter top though. I'm a big tipper when it comes to restaurants and my barber...but I'm not tipping someone for giving me the proper change at a grocery store.

Tipping the barber, that's commonplace?
Unless he's cutting your hair for free, that just seems so bizarre to me!

[fred41]

Ok, maybe the bus thing was a bad example, but, you get my drift.



Tipping the barber, that's commonplace?
Unless he's cutting your hair for free, that just seems so bizarre to me!

It's quite commonplace here...pretty much expected.
I understand tipping is different where you are...what do you usually pay for a haircut and how often do you go....without a tip my barber charges $14 for a cut and shampoo...I go twice a month. I also appreciate the fact that he doesn't talk too much, ...I'm not chatty.