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    Default Malcolm Gladwell: Football Is a Moral Abomination...

    Agree? Disagree?... if so why?




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    Default Re: Malcolm Gladwell: Football Is a Moral Abomination...

    Agree. One third of professional players will face long term brain injury. He poses the question , " Can you think of any other industry that would tolerate that?"


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    Default Re: Malcolm Gladwell: Football Is a Moral Abomination...

    How is it a moral abomination? Because the NFL is a non-profit that earns 10 billion a year? Because of the absurd disparity of player punishment between offenses of spousal abuse vs substance abuse violations? Because their charitable donations only amount to a tenth of 1 percent of their profits? Because of their hypocrisy on drug usage? Marijuana use warranting 10 game suspensions. Meanwhile, they're pumping players full of cortisone and opiates so they can "play through the pain". I could go on. And this is all coming from a huge fan of football.


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    Default Re: Malcolm Gladwell: Football Is a Moral Abomination...

    Here's the only problem I have with that. And I say this as someone who recently has found it harder to watch football, knowing the long term issues that are coming from the concussions and other injuries. When you look at sports in general, you can make a case that they are a moral abomination. Ok, the NFL has brain trauma, that's always been the case with boxing. Muhammad Ali barely functioning as a human being thanks to his injuries from the 1960's and 70's. Anything changed in Boxing? Nope, in fact we got MMA out of it, which while it claims to be safer, still involves blows to the heads and knockouts, which are really another word for concussions, and choke holds which even if they are tapped out of, reduce oxygen flow to the brain. Boxing, as much as Gladwell claims it's gone away, still has HBO and Showtime events, the big fights still sell out arenas, and has even found a new audience with women as women fighters and women looking to change their fitness routines take up boxing, and MMA. We just had a discussion of an MMA fighter who beat the hell out of his porn star girlfriend. Was he naturally violent, or has he taken too many blows the head? I don't think a word was even spoken about head trauma and MMA. And it's still the world's fastest growing sport.

    Soccer, there are studies, and a very recent case of one player who had similar brain trauma, from years of heading the ball, and collisions while going for headers. Maybe they aren't getting concussions on the same level of the NFL, but it is still occurring, and until recently, it was the same thing with coaches where a player could go back in when they should have been kept out.

    But if you are going to use the term "moral abomination" you can apply it a lot of different ways. Some of those female gymnasts who never grow over 4'8'' and starve themselves, who take horrendous falls and sustain injuries kids shouldn't be sustaining, is that any less of a moral abomination? Yes, the NFL has a new trend towards violence, especially domestic violence. And that part of it, very much a moral abomination. But if you look at the rest of the sports world, there are a lot of things you could say that of.

    I think the NFL is going to be around for a long long time. Like Baseball, it will probably decline when something else comes along (Hopefully soccer and not something stupid like Lacrosse) but it will do so just because at some point there will be a demand for something different, but probably not because of this.


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    Javier, yeah, the NFL punishment system is a joke, as is the drug testing policy. Totally agree with you on that. But the NFL isn't a non-profit. It's a protected monopoly for sure, but it isn't totally a non-profit. I interned for a team at one point, they pay a lot in taxes (probably get more in tax breaks though), but they do have to write some checks to the IRS and most, if not all state governments. It's just not in the ways you normally think of for taxes. The NFL itself, is a trade organization, they don't pay taxes, which is why things like the TV contracts go through the NFL and not the teams.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/nflexempt.asp


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    Default Re: Malcolm Gladwell: Football Is a Moral Abomination...

    Quote Originally Posted by sukumvit boy View Post
    Agree. One third of professional players will face long term brain injury. He poses the question , " Can you think of any other industry that would tolerate that?"
    Over 20% of American coal miners in their thirties already have black lung.

    Median coal miner salary: $70,000

    Median NFL player salary: $770,000


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    Default Re: Malcolm Gladwell: Football Is a Moral Abomination...

    Who cares, if you chose to do it you accept what comes along with that choice


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    Default Re: Malcolm Gladwell: Football Is a Moral Abomination...

    All I have to say is Hockey. Guys on skates running in to each other, on ice!



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    Default Re: Malcolm Gladwell: Football Is a Moral Abomination...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/sp...y.html?mcubz=1
    NFL player John Urschel quits in the face of new evidence that 100% of pro players are suffering from Traumatic Brain Injury.He's also a very smart 26 year old pursuing his PhD in Mathematics.


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    Default Re: Malcolm Gladwell: Football Is a Moral Abomination...

    I'm kind of conflicted. I watch boxing and know that boxers sometimes suffer appalling brain damage. Some fighters function reasonably well after their careers but then again many don't (see Terry Norris, Riddick Bowe etc).

    Still, there is something unusual about the amount of damage we're seeing football players suffer. Aaron Hernandez' autopsy results showed he had stage 3 cte, which came with pictures of similar cte next to a normal control. According to some neurologists these brains look nearly as bad as someone with advanced dementia. And it's occurring consistently, starting from an early age.

    Ethicists and lawmakers might allow people to make informed decisions if they know what the risks are but the law doesn't usually allow people to trade health for money so directly.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/s...cte-brain.html


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    Default Re: Malcolm Gladwell: Football Is a Moral Abomination...

    Yes , same goes for boxing , look what it did to Muhammad Ali . Another throw back to our love for blood sport.
    Should ban them both or radically change the rules and safety equipment.
    And free the dolphins and killer whales while we're at it , LOL.



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