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07-14-2006 #21
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That Rupert Murdoch is happy to support whoever agrees to support him.
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07-14-2006 #22
J, keep talking my man. 4 the more u talk the more u expose 2 all here the racist and idiot that u r. And that u speak from emotion and not reason and intellect and accurate historical data. "All arabs and muslims are animals"....this is ur belief irregardless of the Israel argument. Just b honest.
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07-14-2006 #23Originally Posted by blackandblue
Originally Posted by blackandblue
Israeli Arabs are full citizens of the State of Israel, with equal protection under the law, and full rights of due process. Unlike Jewish citizens, they cannot be drafted into the Israeli army, but they may serve voluntarily. There are currently nine Israeli Arabs sitting as members of the 17th Knesset out of a total of 120 seats, and there is one Arab judge, Justice Salim Jubran, sitting in the Supreme Court of Israel. Ariel Sharon's 2001 cabinet included one Israeli Arab minister, Salah Tarif, and in March 2005, Oscar Abu Razaq was appointed Director General of the Ministry of Interior. Arabic is one of Israel's official languages.
Originally Posted by blackandblue
Originally Posted by blackandblue
Originally Posted by blackandblue
So far as early terrorist activities by Israel’s founders are concerned, the activities of the Haganah are well known and not a matter of dispute. They don’t get a pass for it. It is, however, important to note that the Haganah’s terrorist activities were overwhelmingly directed at the British military, not civilians.
Originally Posted by blackandblue
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...57C0A961958260.
As for my point, once again, you seem slow on the uptake. The widely held Arab view that the Palestinians don’t have a homeland is false. If you don’t believe me, why not listen to the late King Hussein:
"Palestine and Jordan were both (by then) under British Mandate, but as my grandfather pointed out in his memoirs, they were hardly separate countries. Transjordan being to the east of the River Jordan, it formed in a sense, the interior of Palestine."
-King Hussein, writing in his Memoirs
Originally Posted by blackandblue
Originally Posted by blackandblue
-Quinn
P.S. My apologies to everyone for such an incredibly long post, but there just wasn't any more succinct way to make my point.
Life is essentially one long Benny Hill skit punctuated by the occasional Anne Frank moment.
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07-14-2006 #24
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Originally Posted by J
EDIT- I think that it's a given that the neocon chickenhawks in the whitehouse will use this as a smokescreen/justification for the fiasco in Iraq...when they should have been focusing on Iran and N Korea, not to mention China...
"I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity." - Poe
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07-15-2006 #25
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Thanks for your reply, Quinn.
Dear, oh dear, J is not covering himself in glory is he? What an embarrassment.
Anyway, back to the debate.
"Israeli Arabs are full citizens of the State of Israel, with equal protection under the law, and full rights of due process."
That might be the 'official' policy.
Please read this; http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/...sraeliarab.htm
Why do I need to name an Arab democracy? Does it justify Israeli actions?
"Otherwise, we would be threatening the oil upon which Japan and Europe are particularly dependent (much more so than the US)."
Clearly you are joking. See how you'd suffer if you had to pay European prices.
The US is happy with anyone who supports it's policies and will do anything to sabotage those that do not.
"So far as early terrorist activities by Israel’s founders are concerned, the activities of the Haganah are well known and not a matter of dispute. They don’t get a pass for it. It is, however, important to note that the Haganah’s terrorist activities were overwhelmingly directed at the British military, not civilians. "
The bombing of the King David Hotel in Palestine on July 22, 1946, which killed 91 persons (mostly civilians) was an Irgun operation in which the Haganah participated.
I'm not quite sure why you are banging on about a Palestinian homeland.
My point is that the population is swelled by millions of refugees. Those refugees have been given Jordanian citizenship. so they are Jordanians. What is your point?
"ineptitude of Arafat's leaderhip; you will loose – badly. " What?
Anyway, I didn't address the other two points because I felt that I had already made my point.
I can take a look at them now if you like.
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"Syria had long claimed that if Israel would return the Golan Heights, it would make peace with Israel. Once again, under Ehud Barak, Israel offered the return of the Golan Heights. The Syrians countered by stating that, not only did they want the return of all of their original land, but they also wanted new land that Syria had never owned. Not surprisingly, peace talks broke down."
That's not quite the case. Israel wanted to offer most of the Golan Heights, Syria wanted Israel to draw back to the 1967 borders.(Remember that this is land illegally occupied by Israel)
How would you feel if Canada grabbed the state of Washington and then offered you half of it back on condition that you shut up about it?
You'd capitulate quietly would you?
B.
I don't know that much about Hizbollah, but it's good that the Israelis don't have it all their own way.
They would like everyone to stay quiet while they commit illegality after illegality.
I'm happy that you mention that Israel is not blameless.
Maybe you can make a point of mentioning the large number of UN Security Council resolutions against Israel?
The illegal occupation of land contrary to the terms of the Laws of war, such as the Fourth Geneva Convention?
Either way, I do appreciate your attempts at having a debate. More so than the ridiculous rantings of J and his ilk.
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07-15-2006 #26
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J
Obviously, the ability to read isn't one of your strong points.
The first line of Quinn's post reads; "Interesting way to begin a debate. That said, allow me to respond to your selective, ahistorical interpretation of the facts."
Please refrain from aligning yourself with Quinn. At least he attempts to put together a cogent argument.
We may disagree, but he appears to believe in what he writes and at least takes the time and trouble to post clearly and link to sources, at least on occasion.
Your post reminds me of a chimpanzee who has been taught to write.
Resident Ballbuster? More like Resident Idiot.
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07-15-2006 #27
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No, it's because what is considered intelligent for a Chimpanzee, isn't considered intelligent for humans.
You appear to have the intelligence of a Chimpanzee.
Chimpanzees, at least, have the redeeming feature of appearing cute and likeable.
If you like anything like the personality you project.....
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07-15-2006 #28
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Anyway...time to move on. Only joined as I couldn't let what was written go unchallenged.
Anyone who's interested in in the subject, can check out the cactus48 link that I posted earlier.
So far no one has challenged the articles on partiality or accuracy.
So, it may be a good place to start.
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07-15-2006 #29Originally Posted by blackandblue
Once again, my original point stands: Arab citizens of Israel . . . have more rights and greater representation in the Jewish state than they do under any Arab regime.
Originally Posted by blackandblue
Originally Posted by blackandblue
Originally Posted by blackandblue
Originally Posted by blackandblue
Regarding the legality of Israel’s occupation of the Golan Heights, it’s a mixed bag. Israeli settlements there are clearly illegal. Israel’s occupation of Syrian land is, in the absence of a peace treaty, legal. Any outright annexation, not backed up by a multilateral treaty, would be illegal.
Originally Posted by blackandblue
So far as any discussion of legal matters is concerned, I can find just as many violations of international law on the part of the Arabs as you can by Israel – if not more.
In the end, J is quite right, this hasn’t been a debate. You’ve failed to adequately support the majority of your own points, let alone effectively challenged my own. Then again, given the weakness that any moderately objective analysis of the facts lends to the Arab position, this is understandable. For now, I am done as well, feeling quite comfortable that the weakness of your arguments has substantially reinforced the validity of my original points.
-Quinn
Life is essentially one long Benny Hill skit punctuated by the occasional Anne Frank moment.
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07-15-2006 #30
Wow folks, isnt it just hilarious how when anyone dares question the motives and/or policies of the Israeli government that they r automatically labeled as Arab/Muslim sympathizers and haters of people of the Jewish faith. Wow J...get a grip. That's some real psychologically f'd up stuff. And yes, while European Jews were persucuted at the hands of other Europeans and were victims of a terrible holocaust they r not the only ones in history 2 suffer a great calamity. African people, during the Middle Passage alone, saw millions of their ilk kidnapped/sold, killed, molested, raped and made 2 suffer all manner of brutal injustices over a much longer period of time. Denied the right 2 have families, to read, write and become educated. To pursue the "American Dream". And yet we press on and overcome. So spare me the pity party. Yes, the people of the Jewish faith have made great strides in the liberal arts and sciences and have contributed all manner of good things 2 world civilization but they r not the only ones nor the first. People of the Muslim faith, the Bhudist faith, the Hindu faith, the Christian faith, indigenous beliefs, pagans, agnostics and athiests all have contributed 2 the evolution/advancement of the human family in one way or another over the course of history. And most have also committed atrocities. Study world history more closely my man and dont get so carried away with emotions that u have 2 resort 2 name calling and negative characterizations. If u r indeed a lawyer then u should understand the rules of proper discourse.
As previously noted, the fact is that the people of Israel resided there long before there was ever such a thing as a Muslim or an Arab (in the modern sense of the word). Giving a minority population the right to settle a small parcel of land on which it has both a historical claim and presence is not unreasonable or without international precedent.