Fuck the Police State

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Has anyone bought your vote? No one bought mine. Do you really think votes are bought? People can be stupid. They can be swayed by distortions and marketing tricks. But no one is buying votes. No doubt some candidate would like to buy votes. But why would a politician want to buy a vote if votes don't count? There's a conundrum. It's because...

Power resides ultimately in the electorate. Candidates for every office pander to the electorate. Gerrymander the electorate. Spin the electorate. Spend money persuading the electorate. Make promises to the electorate. Lie to the electorate. Flip-flop for the electorate. Shake hands with the electorate and kiss their ugly babies. Special interests, corporations, banks and unions fund these activities. Why? Because the electorate chooses our leaders. They choose their party's leaders, the leaders, judges etc. of their local governments, their State government, their Federal representatives and on up the hierarchy.

Once again voting is just semantics these days - its the high powered expensive ad campaign that does the trick - hell the last 4 elections actually had news agencies talking about how much the other candidate needed to spend to win.

Did they buy your vote? - not likely -
Did they buy mine? - not for a long time but Im guilty of listening to the hype on occasion.
Did they buy millions of other votes all across the country - hell yes - believe anything else and I'd call you ignorant and you dont seem to be that.

Why would they want to buy votes - they only do it because granting the people the illusion that their voice counts is extremely valuable to any leader anywhere in the world - even dictators talk about being instrument of the voice of their people, its just a bit more of a clear cut lie in their case - we here in 'merica prefer to keep our lack of individual power well concealed behind the smoke and mirrors of the election game.

back to the point at hand - the police state serves to make sure the people in power stay in power - thats why you see protests of McDonalds, Disneyland and the Occupy Movement met with such mass police force.

You can camp out all night long to buy the new playstation or Xbox - or you can stand in line for days for an NFL ticket but just dont try to camp over night if your protesting Wallstreet or you will be arrested and if you are upside down on your mortgage the police show up to make sure the bank gets to take your house.

Little fact - there are more foreclosed Empty homes in the US than there are homeless people - and homelessness is being made a crime - how Fucked up is that ? so yes fuck the system and especially fuck the police state for being a tool of the banks and corporations.

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From PolicestateUSA.com

Police faked 9-1-1 phone calls to warrantlessly search homes

Officers entered properties by claiming emergency calls were made, except they weren't.



DURHAM, NC — A dubious police tactic has come to light, in which officers used falsified information in order to gain ‘consent’ to search private properties without a warrant.
Officers in Durham have apparently discovered that they can create the legal pretext for a search by lying about calls to 9-1-1 emergency services that never actually took place. The tactic is apparently legal — and commonplace — according to an officer’s sworn statements. WTVD-TV explains:

A Durham police officer admitted under oath that he lied in order to gain entry to a home and to serve an outstanding warrant.
During a court hearing last May, court officials say he told a District Court judge that it was a common practice within Durham’s police department.
He said he knocked on a resident’s door, claiming police had received a 9-1-1 hang up call. But, it never happened.

The tactic was pervasive enough for the Durham police chief to issue a department memo immediately calling for its disuse:

It has recently been brought to my attention that some officers have informed citizens that there has been a 911 hang-up call from their residence in order to obtain consent to enter for the actual purpose of looking for wanted persons on outstanding warrants. Effective immediately no officer will inform a citizen that there has been any call to the emergency communications center, including a hang-up call, when there in fact has been no such call.
– Jose L. Lopez, Sr., Chief of Police

Chief Lopez deserves credit for rejecting the practice within his department. But the situation is troubling and raises many questions. But how pervasive is the tactic elsewhere? What can protect people in other jurisdictions from being searched using deception?
Is this one of those situations that qualifies as an “unreasonable search” which is prohibited under the 4th Amendment?
See more details regarding the Durham case via WTVD-TV:

Accountability Check
Durham Police Department (North Carolina)

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Homeland security and Swat swarm small town school grounds in unannounced show of force http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-feds-swarm-small-town-in-bizarre-unannounced-show-of-force/ …

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Once again voting is just semantics these days - its the high powered expensive ad campaign that does the trick - hell the last 4 elections actually had news agencies talking about how much the other candidate needed to spend to win.

Semantics establishes the connection between words and their meanings. To twist the semantics is to twist and distort the truth. That's exactly what the claim that Americans are selling their votes is: a distortion and a falsehood. I agree that many Americans are stupid, are easily snookered and fooled into voting against their interests. But this is so because their votes count.

Why would they want to buy votes - they only do it because granting the people the illusion that their voice counts is extremely valuable to any leader anywhere in the world - even dictators talk about being instrument of the voice of their people, its just a bit more of a clear cut lie in their case - we here in 'merica prefer to keep our lack of individual power well concealed behind the smoke and mirrors of the election game.

This is pure nonsense and you know it. Votes are tallied. They're checked. When the count is close they're challenged and recounted. To the winner of popular vote (with the sole exception of the office of president) goes the office.

Too many people today are willing to spend their money and waste their time storing ammo and stockading guns, fantasizing about a never to be realized revolution against taxes and the government, but ask them to run for local office where they can make a difference or just take part in the political process and it's "I'm too busy, besides I'll have no real effect and besides nobody's vote counts, they're all bought." That's bull.

Why do politicians campaign for your vote? It's simple. They need it (they need a lot of them) to acquire (or to stay in) office.

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You say Americans are not selling their vote but have already acknowledged that they are largely influenced by which of the two biggest spenders tells them a lie closest to what they want to hear.

Spending = media = mental attitudes = votes

And you said it wasnt about semantics... I beg to differ

When the manipulated in such fashion the tally of the votes is little more than book keeping to see which of the biggest spenders won which renders the actual action meaningless.

Revolutions happen every day - As I recall the British Empire thought a revolution in the colonies was an impossible dream as well.

Why did Jesse Ventura refuse to run for president - because as an independant he lacks the major funding to get the media attention to get in the debates or stand a reasonable chance of reaching enough people to ever win. Without money it cant be done - now why would money matter - oh yeah because it is used to buy media campaigns - the vote is purely academic at this point.

Want me to prove my point - when was the last time someone other than the Two major parties won a presidential election???

Yeah i thought so...

Semantics establishes the connection between words and their meanings. To twist the semantics is to twist and distort the truth. That's exactly what the claim that Americans are selling their votes is: a distortion and a falsehood. I agree that many Americans are stupid, are easily snookered and fooled into voting against their interests. But this is so because their votes count.

This is pure nonsense and you know it. Votes are tallied. They're checked. When the count is close they're challenged and recounted. To the winner of popular vote (with the sole exception of the office of president) goes the office.

Too many people today are willing to spend their money and waste their time storing ammo and stockading guns, fantasizing about a never to be realized revolution against taxes and the government, but ask them to run for local office where they can make a difference or just take part in the political process and it's "I'm too busy, besides I'll have no real effect and besides nobody's vote counts, they're all bought." That's bull.

Why do politicians campaign for your vote? It's simple. They need it (they need a lot of them) to acquire (or to stay in) office.

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If your point is that Americans are selling their votes, then you failed to prove it, Jesse Venture notwithstanding. Of course we have a two party system. So what? We should get out the guns and have a revolution because third party candidates like Ralph Nader and wannabes like Jesse Ventura are unlikely to win? Thank the Gods they're unlikely to win.

Money buys media time. (I prefer to use the equality sign for what is actually means...that's semantics) Media time increases contact with voters. Why do that? Because VOTES COUNT. Elections are held to elect leaders.

The ultimate power is with the electorate, if they'd would only recognize it. If a people are too lazy to do the research; too lazy to take part in the political life of their municipality, state and nation; too lazy to govern themselves, then they will be governed by those people who have the initiative to do so.

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Citizens are not selling their votes - but the votes are being bought just the same. The wealthy and the powerful along with corporations and banks and the politicians they pay to get in office see the public as a commodity - dont think for a second they dont, look at any demographic spread sheet.

elections are held to give the illusion that we as individuals have some say in government - we dont - millions and millions have been outraged at the actions of the NSA - anything changed - nope they just refuse to comment on their actions. Courts rules that the no fly list and appeal process was unconstitutional but its still in effect - they just are ignoring the judges.

Money equates to media which equates to influence which in turn generates votes. ie Money is the only thing that matters in the whole equation take it out and you get nothing that follows it which renders Votes purely a result of money spent. I prefer use = because I prefer the purity of mathematics and logic as opposed to mincing words for things that they are not.

They people who have incentive to govern are the powers behind the money - the politicians are puppets to corporations and banks which wield the real power and influence. Most of the nation freely admits knowing this regardless of which political party they are with. You however seem to be holding onto a dream long past... I admire you for that and I wish it was so - its simply not.

If your point is that Americans are selling their votes, then you failed to prove it, Jesse Venture notwithstanding. Of course we have a two party system. So what? We should get out the guns and have a revolution because third party candidates like Ralph Nader and wannabes like Jesse Ventura are unlikely to win? Thank the Gods they're unlikely to win.

Money buys media time. (I prefer to use the equality sign for what is actually means...that's semantics) Media time increases contact with voters. Why do that? Because VOTES COUNT. Elections are held to elect leaders.

The ultimate power is with the electorate, if they'd would only recognize it. If a people are too lazy to do the research; too lazy to take part in the political life of their municipality, state and nation; too lazy to govern themselves, then they will be governed by those people who have the initiative to do so.

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1) Politicians have the power the electorate gives them.
2) Corporations have the money to shower the media with propaganda.
3) The electorate is easily influenced by propaganda high production values.

Neither of these negate the other. (2) and (3) do not make (1) false. In the U.S. the electorate is the key. You must win the electorate.

You have a gun. Two crowds are screaming, "Shoot Mr. X...NO! Shoot Mr. Y". The crowds do their best to make their own request seem seductive and smart, and the alternative stupid and destructive. They may even offer you money, rewards and power. In the end, the decision is still yours.

You say your vote doesn't count. I say it counts too much. The electorate is way too small. More people need to get involved. Shouting nonsense like "votes don't count" is counterproductive to democratic ends.

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This is nothing more than a history lesson on how things used to work at a previous point and time.

Let me provide the logic lesson when one value becomes equal to another they are interchangeable in an equation. Money buys/equals media - media buys/equals influence - influence results in votes - therefore Money buys Votes. I just cut out the middle parts that you dont seem to want to look at.

The way the numbers work out today make the individual decision moot because the tide has already turned.

If you want it to matter things must be reset to the point where it will - that is what I purpose.

The definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Shouting Votes Dont count is simple logic. You cant fix a problem if you are unaware that there IS a problem.

I want different results therefore different actions are called for.

To keep this on topic - the police state has been strengthened because those who hold the power and the puppets that serve their cause know that we the people are coming to realize this and rebellion and revolution will be the eventual outcome so they want to have a strong police state in place to repress that as long as possible and stomp it out every time the fire of freedom burns a bit too brightly in the populous spirit.

1) Politicians have the power the electorate gives them.
2) Corporations have the money to shower the media with propaganda.
3) The electorate is easily influenced by propaganda high production values.

Neither of these negate the other. (2) and (3) do not make (1) false. In the U.S. the electorate is the key. You must win the electorate.

You have a gun. Two crowds are screaming, "Shoot Mr. X...NO! Shoot Mr. Y". The crowds do their best to make their own request seem seductive and smart, and the alternative stupid and destructive. They may even offer you money, rewards and power. In the end, the decision is still yours.

You say your vote doesn't count. I say it counts too much. The electorate is way too small. More people need to get involved. Shouting nonsense like "votes don't count" is counterproductive to democratic ends.

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Let me provide the logic lesson when one value becomes equal to another they are interchangeable in an equation. Money buys/equals media - media buys/equals influence - influence results in votes - therefore Money buys Votes. I just cut out the middle parts that you dont seem to want to look at.

The flaws in this argument are many. One is the substitution of a transitive relation (namely "equality") for two other binary relations (namely "buys" and "results") neither of which is "equality" one of which is not even transitive. This isn't logic, it's sophistry. It also confuses the notion of influencing an action and purchasing an action. It make a fine metaphor, but one that turns ugly when used to depress the vote. Then it just plays into the hands of the influential. Don't be played. It turns even uglier when used to foment violent overthrow of our elected government.