Fuck the Police State

[trish]

I call it hysterical chromatography; i.e. the use of condescending hysterical posts to separate out the various elements in the mix.

We know know with crystal clarity that Tempest wants to overthrow the government (preferably but necessarily non-violently), the_unnatural is definitely against violent overthrow and My-my-my quite definitely doesn't think the U.S. is a police state.

I'm just wondering, if someone posts one anti-police diatribe after another in a thread entitled "Fuck the Police State", what they think the takeaway message would be?

Thanks for the vote of confidence Fred. I'm outta here and hitting the beaches for the couple of weeks. Have fun while I'm gone.

[trish]

We're all fucking out of order. As the upper crust say, "Toodles."

[fred41]

Enjoy the beach...knock em dead in your bikini.

[TempestTS]

Please note post 191 is a response to post 190 as post 193 is a response to 192. Also note 189 counters any allegations that we're an emerging police state. 157 addresses the government takeover that some here have been advocating as a way of ending this police state.

In regard to post 192 and the note in 189... Sorry too hard to follow - you wouldnt happen to have a power point or flow chart of that?

[TempestTS]

I want a government For and By the people - a duty which this one seems to have lost all interest in - I want my vote to have meaning, I want the power to return to the people.

And I dont want my local sheriff to be driving around in a Mine Resistant Freaking TANK.

Do you have land mines where you live Trish? - I dont...

The excuse is we have people coming out of the military who know how to build IED's - first off we fucking trained them for that so what this says is we dont trust our own soldiers - secondly Like you need to be trained for that - there are actually books on this in the public library - its called history of warfare and weaponry - these are not top secret concepts.

My take away message is in the title - I think I was rather clear on where I stood from step one.

As American military forces return from Iraq and Afghanistan, one Indiana police station is benefiting from a mine-resistant vehicles once used to tour the war zone to combat a new breed of criminal with military training.
'When I first started we really didn’t have the violence that we see today,' Sgt. Dan Downing of the Morgan County Sheriff’s Department told FOX 59 'The weaponry is totally different now that it was in the beginning of my career, plus, you have a lot of people who are coming out of the military that have the ability and knowledge to build IEDs and to defeat law enforcement techniques.'
Roughly $4.3 billion worth of military property has been handed over to local and state agencies since 1990, according to the Law Enforcement Support Office.
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This $650,000 Mine Resistant Vehicle once patrolled the war zones of Afghanistan before ending up with Indiana law enforcement

I call it hysterical chromatography; i.e. the use of condescending hysterical posts to separate out the various elements in the mix.

We know know with crystal clarity that Tempest wants to overthrow the government (preferably but necessarily non-violently), the_unnatural is definitely against violent overthrow and My-my-my quite definitely doesn't think the U.S. is a police state.

I'm just wondering, if someone posts one anti-police diatribe after another in a thread entitled "Fuck the Police State", what they think the takeaway message would be?

Thanks for the vote of confidence Fred. I'm outta here and hitting the beaches for the couple of weeks. Have fun while I'm gone.

[my my my!]

Some Recent news,

It even caught Obama's attention.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/fed...Jj3Zi2PcHok.99

[trish]

Talk to people in St. Louis and what you find is they do not believe we live in a police state, but rather they believe the local police have prejudicial elements and that minorities are highly underrepresented in the force.

This complaint is rather universal throughout the U.S. I mentioned in this thread before that I and many I know have been harassed for driving while black and walking in the wrong neighborhood while black.

People across the U.S. have also noted (as this thread does) the militarization of the police. What they mean by this is not the militarization of the police hierarchy, nor its modus operandi nor the militarization of our domestic governments (i.e. we do not live in a police state, nor a budding police state) but rather the militarization of the police refers to the militarization of police equipment. Police departments now have vehicles armored against IEDs, military assault weapons, and military style personal armor. We’ve discussed in this thread the reasons behind this.

1 Historically this build up reaches back at least into the 80’s and 90’s war against drugs. At that time Congress felt that police department needed armor and arms to fight and defend against violent drug cartels. Since then there have been grants to police departments for the acquisition of arms and armor.

2 This program has been modernized and rebooted after 9-11 in a paranoid reaction against terrorism. Anyone who watched their TV’s during the Boston Marathon bombing has seen the result of this militarization. In addition to grants the Pentagon now transfers no longer used military equipment to local police departments. Police departments say, “We don’t really need a truck hardened against artillery shells and IEDs but its free and we do need a truck impervious to bullets, so yeah, we’ll take it.” As we withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan (lol) more of this equipment will become available.

3 This build up of arms also corresponds to the build up of arms in the citizenry. I think now every State has passed concealed carry. We see citizens in the news who carry M16s and other assault weapons just to openly taunt police. The data shows that the police have the citizenry well out-armed. Nevertheless, the arming of the citizenry has made the police dangerously jumpy. They clearly need better training.

Arms and testosterone are a dangerous mix regardless of whether the testosterone is in uniform or Walmart camo. I am not in favor of the militarization of the police nor the citizenry. I would favor a cut back on grants to the police for the acquisition of arms and a total cut of the Pentagon transfer program.

More importantly police departments have to become more heterogeneous. They need to be representative of and understanding of and sensitive to the populations they serve. Police academies need to do more than just open their doors to academies. They need to recruit minorities and remake themselves into organizations a minority person would want to join.

[my my my!]

Talk to people in St. Louis and what you find is they do not believe we live in a police state.

Proof or it is just conjecture

Who talked to these people? you ?

who's been saying this?

[Ben]

Rand Paul says: Demilitarize the Police

http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

[Ben]

The Militarization of U.S. Police: Finally Dragged Into the Light by the Horrors of Ferguson:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...rors-ferguson/