Cliven Bundy

[trish]

Is the U.S. Government engaged in a “land grab” in Nevada? The question is quite definitely asked in the present tense. But in the past the Feds quite certainly grabbed the whole of Nevada and then some, from Mexico. Before that it was grabbed by Mexico from Native Americans.

*The U.S. obtained the territory to which present day Nevada belongs in 1848 when it signed the treaty that ended the Mexican-American war. Ever since the Federal government has been trying to entice people to live there. It still owns 80% of the state of Nevada. It owns and always has owned (since 1848 ) the land on which Cliven Bundy has been grazing his cattle for free. Back in the 19th century free grazing on Federal land was part of the enticement to lure homesteaders. It was an entitlement. Not every rancher in the U.S. gets to graze their cattle for free on Federal lands. But Cliven Bundy did.

*In 1989 the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services find that the Desert Tortoise, a distinct species found nowhere else in the world, is an endangered species. By 1993 the Federal government instituted a conservation plan to protect the tortoise. The plan includes prohibition of grazing and restriction of off-road vehicles allowed on certain Federal lands, now to be designated as a National Park.

*There goes Cliven Bundy’s free ride. He is understandably upset. This can’t be happening to him. This can’t be about tortoises. It must be what?...A Federal “LAND GRAB.”

*Yeah, right. It’s a Federal “land grab” when the U.S. government takes land it already owns, stops making available to a private business and instead makes it available to all as a National Park.

*Cliven was kinda hoping he could treat that patch of ground as his own into perpetuity. Now he’s pissed because his own piss-poor grazing practices destroyed the natural habitat, endangered a rare species of land tortoise and alerted the Fish and Wildlife Services to the deteriorating condition of the land.

*So this was all over then back in 1993, right? No. Cliven Bundy never stopped grazing his cattle on that land even though it became a National Park! Never stopped! Even though the land doesn’t belong to him and never did, he uses it (illegally), profits from it and continues to degrade the desert ecosystem. In short, Cliven grabbed the land for his own use. He’s been using it illegally for over two decades! He owes us over a million dollars in fines. Our taxes are subsidizing Cliven’s business.

*So finally, after two decades of letting Cliven do whatever the hell he wants with our land, the Federal government gets a court order to impound and sell any cattle grazing within the borders of the Park (unless Cliven removes them within 45 days). This seems to me like a very reasonable course of action, given Cliven’s record. What, should we just write him another ticket that he’ll never pay?

*Of course, Cliven’s "extended" family and some like-minded people protest and obstruct the auction where the cattle are to be sold. Federal officers attempt to disperse the crowd. There are scuffles. A police dog is kicked and the kicker tasered. Some people get scratched and scraped.

*Like flies to rotting meat, Anti-U.S. government loonies with guns are attracted to Cliven’s ranch. Cliven’s land grab escalates into a ponderous storm cloud. It’s what the loonies want. Even if Cliven doesn’t really want a “range war,” gun nuts across the U.S. are salivating at the prospect of another WACO. They can’t say it enough. It’s as if chanting will make it happen again “WACO”, “WACO”, “WACO”.

*But its the last thing the BLM wants. They back off. They decide not to enforce the court order. Cliven Bundy’s land grab is a temporary success. The cry goes up through all of loonyland, "Hooray for loonies with guns."

[Turlington]

Cliven Bundy a fraud? Who would have ever guessed that in a million years.

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/04/bu...tory-load-crap

via KLAS

His cattle, until recently, roamed freely on land managed by the federal Bureau of Land Management. Before the roundup that sparked protests, confrontations and gunmen taking a bridge, Bundy explained his "ancestral rights" to the I-Team.

"I've lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements," Bundy said.

Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy's parents moved from Bundyville, Arizona and bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.

Water rights were transferred too, but only to the ranch, not the federally managed land surrounding it. Court records show Bundy family cattle didn't start grazing on that land until 1954.

The Bureau of Land Management was created 1946, the same year Cliven was born.

Saw this on Tumblr: "I see Republicans are out lauding a wealthy tax cheat as 'a real patriot' while out the other side of their mouth labeling the working poor who pay a forth of their income in taxes as 'takers' not deserving of a living wage or health coverage."

[kittyKaiti]

Saw this on Tumblr: "I see Republicans are out lauding a wealthy tax cheat as 'a real patriot' while out the other side of their mouth labeling the working poor who pay a forth of their income in taxes as 'takers' not deserving of a living wage or health coverage."

"Wealthy tax cheat."

[kittyKaiti]

Is the U.S. Government engaged in a “land grab” in Nevada? The question is quite definitely asked in the present tense. But in the past the Feds quite certainly grabbed the whole of Nevada and then some, from Mexico. Before that it was grabbed by Mexico from Native Americans.

*The U.S. obtained the territory to which present day Nevada belongs in 1848 when it signed the treaty that ended the Mexican-American war. Ever since the Federal government has been trying to entice people to live there. It still owns 80% of the state of Nevada. It owns and always has owned (since 1848 ) the land on which Cliven Bundy has been grazing his cattle for free. Back in the 19th century free grazing on Federal land was part of the enticement to lure homesteaders. It was an entitlement. Not every rancher in the U.S. gets to graze their cattle for free on Federal lands. But Cliven Bundy did.

*In 1989 the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services find that the Desert Tortoise, a distinct species found nowhere else in the world, is an endangered species. By 1993 the Federal government instituted a conservation plan to protect the tortoise. The plan includes prohibition of grazing and restriction of off-road vehicles allowed on certain Federal lands, now to be designated as a National Park.

*There goes Cliven Bundy’s free ride. He is understandably upset. This can’t be happening to him. This can’t be about tortoises. It must be what?...A Federal “LAND GRAB.”

*Yeah, right. It’s a Federal “land grab” when the U.S. government takes land it already owns, stops making available to a private business and instead makes it available to all as a National Park.

*Cliven was kinda hoping he could treat that patch of ground as his own into perpetuity. Now he’s pissed because his own piss-poor grazing practices destroyed the natural habitat, endangered a rare species of land tortoise and alerted the Fish and Wildlife Services to the deteriorating condition of the land.

*So this was all over then back in 1993, right? No. Cliven Bundy never stopped grazing his cattle on that land even though it became a National Park! Never stopped! Even though the land doesn’t belong to him and never did, he uses it (illegally), profits from it and continues to degrade the desert ecosystem. In short, Cliven grabbed the land for his own use. He’s been using it illegally for over two decades! He owes us over a million dollars in fines. Our taxes are subsidizing Cliven’s business.

*So finally, after two decades of letting Cliven do whatever the hell he wants with our land, the Federal government gets a court order to impound and sell any cattle grazing within the borders of the Park (unless Cliven removes them within 45 days). This seems to me like a very reasonable course of action, given Cliven’s record. What, should we just write him another ticket that he’ll never pay?

*Of course, Cliven’s "extended" family and some like-minded people protest and obstruct the auction where the cattle are to be sold. Federal officers attempt to disperse the crowd. There are scuffles. A police dog is kicked and the kicker tasered. Some people get scratched and scraped.

*Like flies to rotting meat, Anti-U.S. government loonies with guns are attracted to Cliven’s ranch. Cliven’s land grab escalates into a ponderous storm cloud. It’s what the loonies want. Even if Cliven doesn’t really want a “range war,” gun nuts across the U.S. are salivating at the prospect of another WACO. They can’t say it enough. It’s as if chanting will make it happen again “WACO”, “WACO”, “WACO”.

*But its the last thing the BLM wants. They back off. They decide not to enforce the court order. Cliven Bundy’s land grab is a temporary success. The cry goes up through all of loonyland, "Hooray for loonies with guns."

The liberal butthurt tears are overflowing in this post. Such disinfo. Such lib tears.

The bold and underlined part is a blatant lie. Stop watching MSNBC.

[broncofan]

I've read in the right wing blogosphere that Warren Buffett or at least one of dozens of subsidiaries of Berkshire Hathaway, a holding company, had a disputed tax bill. Has Warren Buffett ever violated an order by a federal court for him to pay income taxes? I'm asking because I don't know. I do know that he's pledged 99% of his considerable wealth to charity.

Contrast this with someone who has grazed cattle on federal land without a permit for two decades. Who claims he doesn't recognize the federal government. Who threatens violence against federal agents who are only doing their job. There is simply no comparison between this piece of trash, whose home state has been visited by militia men who have spent their entire lives sowing intolerance, and a decent person like Warren Buffett.

I suppose you've given up on the argument that Cliven Bundy's actions were legal or that the federal government doesn't have the ability to create regulations on federal land?

[trish]

The liberal butthurt tears are overflowing in this post. Such disinfo. Such lib tears.

Gee, I didn't think the tone was at all tearful.

The bold and underlined part is a blatant lie. Stop watching MSNBC.

Of course you know this is not a rebuttal.

[fred41]

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Of course you know this is not a rebuttal.

There is no rebuttal...the only rebuttals you wind up getting is -

Cliven Bundy should do whatever he wants because -

we attacked Iraq

we armed people in Syria

people cheat on taxes

(we secretly bombed our own towers....I know, I know - no one said it ...but you know it's hanging in the air...lol)


Oh, and we know the goverment lies...I will concede that. However to think Cliven Bundy can't possibly be lying (he's wearing a white hat after all) is silly.

...Oh, and the militia are heroes...(never heard of heroes suggesting fighting behind a line of women before,..but whatever).

[trish]

never heard of heroes suggesting fighting behind a line of women before,..but whatever

Clearly you're not Hamas.

[fred41]

Clearly you're not Hamas.

Clearly..lol. (it's hard to make a green headband and vest bomb work with my weekend wear)...

...but I hear they may come to Nevada to help Bundy because the desert turtle is a filthy, belly crawling agent of Israel.

[fred41]

...but I hear they may come to Nevada to help Bundy because the desert turtle is a filthy, belly crawling agent of Israel.

though I would suggest that , based on this live photo taken by Alex Jones,...the turtles look a lot like Hamas.