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    Quote Originally Posted by broncofan View Post
    In consecutive posts you are deploring U.S foreign policy that killed thousands of foreign children and U.S. foreign policy that helped prevent the eventual extermination of all non-German Europeans. I can't tell whether you value innocent life or not.
    The loss of life in other countries is unfortunate. But our government has a responsibility to its own citizens, not others.


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    In 1972, he wrote about how all women fantasize about being gang raped. In 1969, he wrote about how the cause of ovarian cancer is a lack of orgasms.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...eedom-fluoride
    I thought we were talking about racism against African-Americans. I said Cliven Bundy is a racist notwithstanding his hugging of a black man, and you said you think Bernie Sanders is too. I then asked whether Bernie Sanders has said anything as offensive about African-Americans as Bundy and you write about his alleged misogyny.

    I almost think your bringing up Bernie Sanders is a complete non-sequitur.


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    Cliven Bundy and eighteen others involved in the 2014 armed confrontation with the Federal government have been arrested (last week March 4) two years later. The government and the public has shown great constraint. Finally this blusterous, freeloading, gun-toting racist and his zombie followers are going to be brought to justice. Bundy, who is facing sixteen charges, refuses to enter a plea because he doesn’t recognize the authority of the United States of America in this affair. The judge entered a plea of “not guilty” in Bundy’s behalf.


    http://nyti.ms/1QRpYO7

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...upport-n536206

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/cl...eral-authority


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    http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/us/ore...tal/index.html

    I haven't read the article carefully but this came up on my news feed. I owe it to all of the anti-government militia types on this forum to post this since I was very pleased the man and his cohorts were charged for what I thought was seditious activity. But a court has acquitted him on various charges.

    But before you celebrate, the acquittal is under the authority of the same federal government the Bundys refused to recognize and considered an illegitimate tyrannical entity. So which is it?



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    Quote Originally Posted by broncofan View Post
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/us/ore...tal/index.html

    I haven't read the article carefully but this came up on my news feed. I owe it to all of the anti-government militia types on this forum to post this since I was very pleased the man and his cohorts were charged for what I thought was seditious activity. But a court has acquitted him on various charges.

    But before you celebrate, the acquittal is under the authority of the same federal government the Bundys refused to recognize and considered an illegitimate tyrannical entity. So which is it?
    Not sure they care. Reports in the press here suggest that if Trump wins he will rule by TV and decree, if Clinton wins it will be 'Choose your weapons', which could be anything from AK-47s to Pitchforks and flames.
    Or it may be that reports on the death of American democracy are exaggerated.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavros View Post
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    Or it may be that reports on the death of American democracy are exaggerated.
    Let's hope the latter. Yet the recent acquittal doesn't bode well. http://nyti.ms/2dQKbXf
    At least we can rest in Trump's assurance that the Central Park Five are still guilty.
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ll_guilty.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavros View Post
    if Clinton wins it will be 'Choose your weapons', which could be anything from AK-47s to Pitchforks and flames.
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    Let's see. I have a feeling that when faced with the possibility of near certain death, most of these people are too comfortable to give up complaining about the media and the government...but I'm an optimist. That doesn't mean there aren't going to be flare-ups or the occasional dangerous lone-wolf given the world we live in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by trish View Post
    Let's hope the latter. Yet the recent acquittal doesn't bode well. http://nyti.ms/2dQKbXf
    "I knew that what my husband was doing was right, but I was nervous because the judge was controlling the narrative,”

    Welcome to the federal rules of evidence. Somehow the Judge thought your husband's paranoid imaginings were not probative of his guilt or innocence of specific crimes. You're right Trish , the acquittal does not bode well because it sounds like the defense made a jury nullification argument and it won.



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