Cliven Bundy

[trish]

...My best friends head was blown off in the the 7th grade,3 kids having fun after school unfortunately one of my friends thought it would be fun to play with my best friend Joey's dad's guns,it went horribly wrong and I was their to witness the results.I've lived with that day and that loud sound,smell and what it's like to have your best friends brains,blood and flesh splattered and imbedded in your mind from a very early age was devastating to say the least....

I’ve got nothing I can say except a useless but compassionately offered, “Sorry.”

[trish]

It is not my fault, nor the fault of the NRA, or anyone else, that a 7th grader (12, 13 years old?) decided to go for a Darwin Award despite knowing (or at that age should know) that death is permanent and weapons are dangerous and not toys.

Nice sentiment. Darwin Award. What a bitch! So who was at fault in that incident? Does the blame all lie with the kids? Shouldn't the gun-owner in this case own some of the blame? Is it enough for him to say, "Shucks, I told them kids to stay away from my guns," and never serve a day in jail or pay so much as a fine? And why aren't there significant punishments for gun-owners who firearms are implemented in violent deaths? Why is there so much toxic lead flying through the atmosphere at ground level? Could it be that NRA lobbyists stymied all manner of gun regulation?

But the NRA can't be blamed. No. Nor their supporters. They're the good guns with the pearl handles and the white hats. Shit just happens. It's Darwinism. Survival of the species that best fits the niche. The kid was stupid. He deserved to die. What a bitch!

[robertlouis]

I tend to find that argument is only constructive when both sides are listening.

Guys, you might just be wasting your time here.

[kittyKaiti]

What a ludicrous response from our resident gun nutjob.

Next time you threaten to ban me, I suggest you watch your own language, buddy.

[kittyKaiti]

But the NRA can't be blamed. No. Nor their supporters.

No, sorry, no matter how much hate you can spew for gun owners and organizations, the NRA did not put that firearm in the kid's hand. I didn't put the gun in his hand. He picked it up himself. He shot himself with it. Stop trying to blame the rest of the world for the choices people make.

The father should have kept his guns in a secured location if they weren't in use. He should have taught his children gun safety. He should have informed his family about the dangers, that it isn't a toy, that it should never be touched and it should have been kept in a safe or locked. But the fact that someone who is old enough to know better, picked up a gun and put it to their head, is not my fault, nor the rest of the world's fault, nor the fault of the NRA.

It would be like if the kid took his dad's car keys and crashed and died and you try to blame Ford.

[Prospero]

No my dear Kitty.... my language is fine. Buddy.Describing someone as a gun nutjob is part of the discourse. Your comment regarding the darwin awards in reference to the tragic death of a young man is NOT acceptable.



Miss Kaiti is now taking a short enforced vacation from this forum.

[trish]

No, sorry, no matter how much hate you can spew for gun owners and organizations, the NRA did not put that firearm in the kid's hand. I didn't put the gun in his hand.

Keep saying that, it's good for the soul. But it won't change the fact that the NRA and its supporters share responsibility, along with all us who continue to let it happen, for the deaths of tens of thousands of men, women and children every year.

[fred41]

You can't compare her to Dick Cheney because he's a Republican/ Conservative...or NeoCon - depending on who you're listening to. As such...he still believes in a mix of government and industry. Kittie, on the other hand, probably considers herself a libertarian...I'm guessing. However...she seems to get her info from the gov't conspiracy sites on the internet and because of that she's not really a libertarian either ( for reasons delineated in some of Trish's responses to her). Robert is therefore correct...you can't argue with a conspiracy theorist (honestly - she hits every anti govt...anti corporation talking
point making it's round on the web)...you will just be talking in circles and will never change their paranoid minds.

Apologies for any errors...I'm writing on my phone and its small...lol

[EvaCassini]

wow......................................

read everything ( thank you Prospero for pointing me here. Didn't even realize there was a board like this here. I always go straight to the General )

blakpadi - sorry that happened. went through an almost similar situation years ago with my step mom.

About Kitty... Never took her to be like that ( or any tranny ). Had to ask Jamie about her because I barely could remember who she was. Had her mixed up with someone else.
Still having a hard time accepting how some people ( like a tranny ) stand up for something as ludicrous as Cliven Bundy, his water-headed ideals, and his criminal gang.

Arrogance, ignorance, self-righteousness, and stupidity were all displayed by Kitty.

[crystalsopen]

"Wealthy tax cheat."

Yes I can explain the difference, there are many many differences, here are some of the most obvious:
1 Time, Mr. Bundy's dispute has been going on longer
2 The other people got medals based on their actions, not for accruing tax debts as the graphic implies.
3 Bundy and his supporters took up arms against the federal government (I wouldn't call this terrorism as the people the protesters where opposing where armed as well as professional soldiers, but a reasonable person could call it treason)
4 The leader of a nation might not want to give a medal to someone who does not recognize the authority of that nation.

The BLM's case for the grazing fees are kind of bullshit, but they are also the law.