Cliven Bundy

[blakpadi]

No matter kitty that you have a man in uniform and gun fetish Libertarian view of the world...no matter how you slice/graze it,I don't think you 'd be welcome with open arms out their at the ranch,I've been wrong before but I think 100% of those guys in public would tell you to get the fuck out...but 60% of them would fuck you and suck your cock behind closed doors...

[buttslinger]

State Rights was a recipe for the American Civil War.
I think it's been proven that Fox News is a joke, in fact most of the crap you read on the internet is slanted bullshit, read the paper every day and you'll be OK.

Tune into conservative talk radio some time in your car. It's not as scripted as Fox, and half the time they have to cut short their own conservative callers as much as the liberals. Kitty is quite coherent compared to many of the yahoos who want to speak their mind on the lower budget, local talk shows. I think Kitty makes lots of sense (see attached)
It's about Priorities.

[broncofan]

On the whole Libertarian meme, I do want to bring up a potentially Libertarian rationale for grazing fees. When cattle graze on land, they do exact a cost to the owners of that land. On public land, the average person walking on land to sight see is not using the land in the same sense that a large herd of cattle is. If we are to respect property rights at all, then it is reasonable for people to pay for externalized costs. Without such taxation, individuals would have an incentive to despoil the natural resources on public land. I think taxation intended to create efficient use is called a Pigouvian tax.

Were the land privately held, the owner could exclude Cliven from using it entirely and Cliven would not be able to use it unless he could pay the owner a license fee in excess of the cost of his use. Even still, the owner could get some intrinsic enjoyment out of excluding people from his land and decide not accept such a license fee. But why should the government allow some people to deplete natural resources on public land without implementing a tax to either discourage that behavior or pay for the cost of remediating it?

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[kittyKaiti]

I'm ignoring Trish from now on. Obviously, she is a lost cause.

No matter kitty that you have a man in uniform and gun fetish Libertarian view of the world...no matter how you slice/graze it,I don't think you 'd be welcome with open arms out their at the ranch,I've been wrong before but I think 100% of those guys in public would tell you to get the fuck out...but 60% of them would fuck you and suck your cock behind closed doors...

You, sir..... are fucking retarded.

[broncofan]

The reason I say it is consistent with Libertarian ideals is this. By charging such a tax you are simulating the market relationship between two individuals if all property were private. As I said, Bundy could be excluded from the land, and the landowner would only be rational if he charged a fee in excess of the cost of letting Bundy graze there.

[blakpadi]

Kitty-
1)Do you or do you not have a thing for guys in uniform.
2)Do you love Guns?
3)I didn't see any signs welcoming the LGBT community to come out for the cause...yeah right!
4)I bet 60% of those guys maybe higher???if they could on The DL!
5)I've never drank the Schenectady Electric City water,so I'm fine as far as the -PC-"Challenged" thing goes.

[kittyKaiti]

Kitty-
1)Do you or do you not have a thing for guys in uniform.
2)Do you love Guns?
3)I didn't see any signs welcoming the LGBT community to come out for the cause...yeah right!
4)I bet 60% of those guys maybe higher???if they could on The DL!
5)I've never drank the Schenectady Electric City water,so I'm fine as far as the -PC-"Challenged" thing goes.

1: A thing for guys in uniform? I don't consider it a fetish of mine. I have the utmost respect however, for any serviceman and woman who serves this country under sworn oath, and who uphold their oaths to serve and protect the people, and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

2: Yes. I am a gun owner and I strongly support the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

3: Why would there be any signs about LGBT people at a protest against government tyranny?

4: What the hell does that have to do with anything?

5: ...What???

[ohiodick]

In an interview with CNN, Bundy defended his original comments and said he didn't understand why people reacted so negatively to his views.

CNN's Bill Weir told Bundy that his judgements were "disgusting," and later asked, “How does it feel to be abandoned by your friends on Fox? I mean, the only reason we could get you on tonight is that, I’m guessing, they didn’t call.”

[Prospero]

Fox begins its own (un)civil war over who supported the racist Cliven Bundy.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/04...-bundy-videos/

[trish]

Not recognizing the existence of the Federal Government was Cliven’s initial appeal. The people who screamed that those of us who protested against the Iraq War were unpatriotic are the same people who love this freeloader’s anti-U.S. government stance. The same people who complained that Obama didn’t wear a flag pin and who falsely claimed he didn’t place his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegience, the same people who claim to worship The Constitution fail to recognize the very government it authorizes! The problem is, the very roots of the anti-U.S. government movement go back to LBJ’s signing of the Civil Rights Act. That bill sent southern democrats flocking to the republican party. Many of them collected arsenals, formed paramilitary organizations, re-vitalized the Klan and ranted against the Federal government and its taxes. Their line leads directly to Terry Nichols, Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma Bombing of 1995. Young libertarians whose heads are swimming with the silly romanticisms to be found in Atlas Shrugged and the Fountainhead are swept into this movement, often unawares of the sludge lying just beneath the tide. Fox News pundits (slow witted though they are) should perhaps have known better, but they didn’t. Then: Surprise, surprise, Cliven Bundy is a racist!!!


Thanks for the article Prospero.