Is Tgirl a better word - and should that become the norm?

[GroobyKrissy]

That is not what a transgender is...transgender is an umbrella term for:

intersexed, transsexual, gender queer, non-conforming, drag queen, transvestite, crossdresser, and the list goes on..

So it's a state of being..which means in ones mind...exactly what I said hours ago...

And the transition road varies for every transsexual like I said hours ago.

So you basically agreed with me??

HUH

mmm... kind of.

My definition of Transsexual is pretty different from yours and vastly different from Msbhaven's.

You can't define a word just by throwing other words at it, Kelly. You can't say, "A frog is a toad". You can't say Transgender is just an umbrella for x, y, z... you have to give the word a definition. But, we probably agree pretty closely on what Transgender is.

Transsexual... definitely not. Look at my definition and then look at yours. The differences are there.

[msbhaven]

Kelly... I knew what she meant.

It was a pointed answer to an obvious attempt of "looking down the nose". Normally speaking, if you say someone fantasizes about your life, you think you have something they want. I knew exactly what she was talking about and picked out something incongruous to highlight.

Yeah... I'll try writing in English next time so you can read and understand it. Sorry.

Ohhhh yeah you put me in my place with that shot right? Too bad you didn't know the gun was loaded with blanks. Even if I were still in that line of work it wouldn't have bothered me. Society may frown on it but I don't and never have. You think I'm going to be ashamed that somebody who runs her own porn site implied that I was a whore and beneath her on a porn message board? ROTFLMAO. You really are delusional aren't you?

[MrsKellyPierce]

mmm... kind of.

My definition of Transsexual is pretty different from yours and vastly different from Msbhaven's.

You can't define a word just by throwing other words at it, Kelly. You can't say, "A frog is a toad". You can't say Transgender is just an umbrella for x, y, z... you have to give the word a definition. But, we probably agree pretty closely on what Transgender is.

Transsexual... definitely not. Look at my definition and then look at yours. The differences are there.

You identify former crossdressers as crossdressers when in fact they may of been transsexuals all along. You deem someone a crossdresser, just because maybe a year prior they didn't want to transition or were scared to. I deem someone as a transsexual always if they ever feel the need to transition or feel something is wrong or missing in their life gender wise.

That's the only difference we have...


You just like pulling crap out your butt..

You have obviously given yourself the title of transsexual sage when you clearly aren't...

[GroobyKrissy]

Eye rolls. I have been a whore before but no I neither cam model or escort any more. I work a real job with a real company and collect a real pay check at a place where people either call me Ma'am or by my legal name. So talk about assumptions and lack of knowledge about somebody's life. Sheesh.

As I said before I don't care to read a damn book to glean what is going on in somebody's life. I gave you a chance to tell me about the changes in your life through a series of simple questions. You chose not to answer and go off on a tangent about the difference in view points between Kelly and myself.

And you are still on that tangent. Honey we are laughing at you at this point because you look so foolish. I know where she stands on this topic and respect her for her position and she knows where I stand on it and respects my right to my opinion. What's really funny is that you keep trying to hammer that wedge in when the difference between Kelly and I on this is close enough to split a hair especially when compared to the gulf that separates your opinions from ours.

I could care less about if you two climb into bed tonight and cuddle closely.

The fact of the matter is that you two have found a common "enemy" and just won't face the fact that your own stated definitions of "Transsexual" are different.

At this point, that is my only point. You won't even admit that.

INCONGRUITY? So Transsexual is a "mistake" ? That is what the word implies. Beauty vs. Ugly. Chaos vs. Order.

Is that REALLY how you see Transsexual? I've given you ample time to reword or revisit or redefine or re-something. You haven't done so and thus I think I have to assume this is your definition.

Does nobody else see ANY issue with defining Transsexual as an incongruity?

[msbhaven]

mmm... kind of.

My definition of Transsexual is pretty different from yours and vastly different from Msbhaven's.

You can't define a word just by throwing other words at it, Kelly. You can't say, "A frog is a toad". You can't say Transgender is just an umbrella for x, y, z... you have to give the word a definition. But, we probably agree pretty closely on what Transgender is.

Transsexual... definitely not. Look at my definition and then look at yours. The differences are there.

So just out of curiosity if I were out and about and ran in to you in your male mode. Should I call you sir? Ma'am? Maybe one or both with a wink to let you know I still thought you were transsexual? Do you know what somebody calls me when I am out and about or at work and they don't know my name? Try ma'am or miss or (if I'm very lucky) young lady. And that's the case every single day of my life. Can you really not tell the difference between you and I on the gender scale?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I could care less about if you two climb into bed tonight and cuddle closely.

The fact of the matter is that you two have found a common "enemy" and just won't face the fact that your own stated definitions of "Transsexual" are different.

At this point, that is my only point. You won't even admit that.

INCONGRUITY? So Transsexual is a "mistake" ? That is what the word implies. Beauty vs. Ugly. Chaos vs. Order.

Is that REALLY how you see Transsexual? I've given you ample time to reword or revisit or redefine or re-something. You haven't done so and thus I think I have to assume this is your definition.

Does nobody else see ANY issue with defining Transsexual as an incongruity?

I honestly think other guys think you are confused tbh..

Look what Simon said pages back..

[MrsKellyPierce]

I have sent and shared my thoughts with several people and other trans on my facebook they also think you are confused...

So yeah....

Girl you are making a fool out of yourself, I hope once your hormones kick in and you live the life 24/7 you will look back and see how your insight changes..

[GroobyKrissy]

You identify former crossdressers as crossdressers when in fact they may of been transsexuals all along. You deem someone a crossdresser, just because maybe a year prior they didn't want to transition or were scared to. I deem someone as a transsexual always if they ever feel the need to transition or feel something is wrong or missing in their life gender wise.

That's the only difference we have...

You just like pulling crap out your butt..

You have obviously given yourself the title of transsexual sage when you clearly aren't...

Feelings vs belief.

Do you see where your definition is so much more vague than mine?

Mine, while allowing for a larger audience, puts a much tighter structure into it. It must be a belief... not just a feeling. It must be true... not just something you decide one day.

I don't accept just "Oh, I think I'm going to be Transsexual today"... your definition, based on "identity" based on feeling, with no timeline, does.

What I do allow for is you being born in the middle of Redneck City, struggling your whole life with a belief, pushing it down, joining the football team, marrying, having kids, etc. Then discovering one day that hey... people actually struggle with this feeling and there is a name for it. I may be... Transsexual.

That being said, I also belief that nobody else but YOURSELF can really, truly know if you're Transsexual or not, since you are really the only one who truly knows and can discern your own motives.

[msbhaven]

I could care less about if you two climb into bed tonight and cuddle closely.

The fact of the matter is that you two have found a common "enemy" and just won't face the fact that your own stated definitions of "Transsexual" are different.

At this point, that is my only point. You won't even admit that.

INCONGRUITY? So Transsexual is a "mistake" ? That is what the word implies. Beauty vs. Ugly. Chaos vs. Order.

Is that REALLY how you see Transsexual? I've given you ample time to reword or revisit or redefine or re-something. You haven't done so and thus I think I have to assume this is your definition.

Does nobody else see ANY issue with defining Transsexual as an incongruity?

Yes I see my penis as an incongruity! Every time I look in the mirror when I'm nude and I see it it bothers me. It is an incongruity, a birth defect in my eyes that I would love to have corrected some day.

No I don't see that incongruity as a mistake I see it as lesson in life. I see at as a cross I was given to bear in this life so that I might better understand what it is to be a woman, and to not take it for granted. More and more I believe in reincarnation of the soul, and more and more I believe that life is a lesson meant to make us better.

I'm not perfect and maybe it is wrong for me to feel as I do about un transitioned transsexuals, but damn it I worked hard to get here. I sacrificed to be who I am. I gave up friends family, home, and past to start over so I could be who I was meant to be. And I'm sorry but I don't have enough generosity in my heart yet to listen to somebody piss and moan about being to old or to poor for surgery or I have a family, or I have a career but I still think that I should be considered your equal. Like Hell. You want that? Go out and earn it.

Respect isn't given dear it's earned! Being identified as a woman when you were born with the birth defect of a penis is respect earned through sacrifice and effort.

Go try some of both and get back to me and I might give more respect to your opinion on this subject then. But be warned, if you do you might just fine that your opinion changes as well.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Feelings vs belief.

Do you see where your definition is so much more vague than mine?

Mine, while allowing for a larger audience, puts a much tighter structure into it. It must be a belief... not just a feeling. It must be true... not just something you decide one day.

I don't accept just "Oh, I think I'm going to be Transsexual today"... your definition, based on "identity" based on feeling, with no timeline, does.

What I do allow for is you being born in the middle of Redneck City, struggling your whole life with a belief, pushing it down, joining the football team, marrying, having kids, etc. Then discovering one day that hey... people actually struggle with this feeling and there is a name for it. I may be... Transsexual.

That being said, I also belief that nobody else but YOURSELF can really, truly know if you're Transsexual or not, since you are really the only one who truly knows your own motives.

If you say so...transsexuals sage 2014