Is Tgirl a better word - and should that become the norm?

[breakingbad14]

I think so yes, Tgirl just has a nice ring to it to me, pun intended.

[GroobyKrissy]

Oh so your plan and world domination Krissy is to tell everyone we are crossdressers

WONDERFUL

Yup. That's my goal. Despite me saying at least 10 times now, "Crossdressers are not all Transsexual"... that is all that gets taken from this entire conversation. Krissy wants to turn the world into crossdressers.

Kelly:

Let's see who is more confused here.

FIRST
You fail to grasp the rather simple difference between "ARE" (always, equals, etc.) and "CAN BE". I've never said "ARE". I've said, "can be." THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE AND ONE THAT YOU DO NOT ALLOW FOR.

SECOND
You've stated emphatically now (slightly paraphrasing because I'm too lazy to get the exact quote - context has not been changed however):

"Crossdressers are NEVER Transsexual."
"Drag Queens CAN BE Transsexual."

Anyone with half a brain realizes the inherent disparity between these two statements. Some Crossdressers are Drag Queens and some Drag Queens are Crossdressers... that is pretty much indisputable.

You then threw sexuality into the mix as if that makes a difference:
"Crossdressers are straight men." (again, pretty much a direct quote from you).

No Kelly, Dear:
Crossdressers are MOSTLY made up of straight men, but can also be gay men, bisexual men, ...all sorts of men-men. The same can be said of Drag Queens. Besides the fact that one is a job and one is fetish, the two terms are basically, crudely interchangeable (although wholly unrelated). And, sexual orientation has nothing to do with Transsexualism at all so putting that into the mix is at best, a weak argument.

Your whole argument for "Drag Queens CAN BE Transsexual" is your own coping mechanism to deal with your past because you do not want the term "crossdresser" associated with you presently. Doing so would blow apart your entire argument. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

In this very thread, you've admitted to being a Drag Queen at one stage of your life; and now, claiming the title of Transsexual, you must allow for that possibility or else you are simply a "Crossdresser who became Transsexual".

This isn't hard to see.

So who is more confused?
A. The person who can define the terms without changing them (ME)

B. The person who must continually change the terms to suit their present needs (YOU)?

The answer is obvious and if you don't see that, fine.

I'm now completely done with this thread so continue to spout of your nonsense, and say that I've said things I've never said, and drip your cloying "honey", "dear", sweetie"...

Your argument is dumb, Kelly. It is illogical, contradicts itself, and damaging to your supposed larger activist goal.

Put you on Piers Morgan and he wouldn't need any help being an ass or mocking the TG/TS community... you'd do the work completely and utterly for him.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Krissy you said a transsexual can be a crossdresser point blank..the same as saying a transsexual can be a gay man or a straight man.

The oldest transitioner I know was 76 years old when she had srs she felt she could finally be herself that her children were raised and grandchildren.

She said to me Kelly you know I knew 50 years ago what I was I wore women things for comfort here and there, but I would never consider myself a crossdresser! I said you know what Lorie nor would I! It pained her she was waiting for my approval to say or no say she was. Lorie is a beautiful woman today and happy!

See unlike you I have actually spoken to real transsexuals with real experiences and thoughts. You have text books and the internet for your guide Krissy!

[MrsKellyPierce]

Drag QUEEN is a JOB! I did drag after I transitioned! I transitioned at 12 years old! It was an outlet to make money and to put my dancing skills of 12 years to work! I also enjoyed doing pageants I wanted to be a Miss Continental which has loads of transsexuals! Carmen Carrera transsexual! Rupauls Drag Race! I was never a gay man dressing up or was I a crossdresser! Transsexual performers prefer showgirl over drag queen! You sound so idiotic!

Illogical lol peoples real life feelings and thoughts actual trans-women are ILLOGICAL.. you are joke!

[SammiValentine]

I think so yes, Tgirl just has a nice ring to it to me, pun intended.

damn you took my ring piece.. and made it your own??!!!! lol x

[MrsKellyPierce]

Krissy let me name TRANSSEXUALS WHO DO DRAG...IT'S A LIVING

Candis Cayne, Carmen Carrera, Mimi Marks, TS PORNSTAR WENDY WILLIAMS, TS PORNSTAR Michelle Austin, Erica Andrews, and the list goes on and on!!

It has nothing to do with being a "crossdresser"

GEEZUS...

[breakingbad14]

damn you took my ring piece.. and made it your own??!!!! lol x

lol I did, it's my ring piece now xx

[GroobyKrissy]

Krissy you said a transsexual can be a crossdresser point blank..the same as saying a transsexual can be a gay man or a straight man.

The oldest transitioner I know was 76 years old when she had srs she felt she could finally be herself that her children were raised and grandchildren.

She said to me Kelly you know I knew 50 years ago what I was I wore women things for comfort here and there, but I would never consider myself a crossdresser! I said you know what Lorie nor would I! It pained her she was waiting for my approval to say or no say she was. Lorie is a beautiful woman today and happy!

See unlike you I have actually spoken to real transsexuals with real experiences and thoughts. You have text books and the internet for your guide Krissy!

CAN BE, Kelly, CAN BE. I cannot make that more clear. AND, it is YOU who injected sexual orientation into this conversation... I NEVER DID and NEVER WOULD. I've only refuted your own lunacy with your "Crossdressers are NEVER Transsexual but Drag Queens CAN BE Transsexual" lines. Sexual Orientation has nothing to do with the topics of Transsexual, CD/TV, ETC. NOTHING.

CAN BE doesn't mean ALWAYS ARE... I really do fail to see how you cannot grasp this easily grasped different.

Your anecdotes are heartwarming. Irrelevant and insignificant to the topic at hand... but so, so heartwarming. You are such a good person to take your time to visit and befriend some lowly, crossdressers and old-age transitioners. Kudos to you. Guess what, I have a Black friend so I cannot possibly be racist... ever heard that line before?

You're totally correct Kelly. I have never EVER, EVER spoken with an actual Transsexual, CD/TV, or even a person face to face. I just hide out in my basement and eat nachos.

Kelly, I rarely do this but I simply can't resist anymore.

Not only are your points dumb, which I've been saying to this point.
YOU are, in fact, dumb. I'll apologize for that in 3...2...1...

Kelly, I'm sorry I called you dumb. It was a moment of weakness. But you are.

[MrsKellyPierce]

CAN BE, Kelly, CAN BE. I cannot make that more clear. AND, it is YOU who injected sexual orientation into this conversation... I NEVER DID and NEVER WOULD. I've only refuted your own lunacy with your "Crossdressers are NEVER Transsexual but Drag Queens CAN BE Transsexual" lines. Sexual Orientation has nothing to do with the topics of Transsexual, CD/TV, ETC. NOTHING.

CAN BE doesn't mean ALWAYS ARE... I really do fail to see how you cannot grasp this easily grasped different.

Your anecdotes are heartwarming. Irrelevant and insignificant to the topic at hand... but so, so heartwarming. You are such a good person to take your time to visit and befriend some lowly, crossdressers and old-age transitioners. Kudos to you. Guess what, I have a Black friend so I cannot possibly be racist... ever heard that line before?

You're totally correct Kelly. I have never EVER, EVER spoken with an actual Transsexual, CD/TV, or even a person face to face. I just hide out in my basement and eat nachos.

Kelly, I rarely do this but I simply can't resist anymore.

Not only are your points dumb, which I've been saying to this point.
YOU are, in fact, dumb. I'll apologize for that in 3...2...1...

Kelly, I'm sorry I called you dumb. It was a moment of weakness. But you are.

No sweety you are

Thinking drag queens are only gay/bi/straight men

There are transsexuals who do it hell there are even Females and post op trans-women who do it Candi Stratton being the most famous!

You are unequipped and not educated enough on transsexuals!

[GroobyKrissy]

Krissy let me name TRANSSEXUALS WHO DO DRAG...IT'S A LIVING

Candis Cayne, Carmen Carrera, Mimi Marks, TS PORNSTAR WENDY WILLIAMS, TS PORNSTAR Michelle Austin, Erica Andrews, and the list goes on and on!!

It has nothing to do with being a "crossdresser"

GEEZUS...

Nice Kelly... drop your names in the hopes of bringing them to your rescue because you are FLAILING and FLOUNDERING in your own circle of stupid reasoning.

OK, Kelly, I will ask you this then... since you fail to grasp the point at all.

(Can = Does the possibility exist, either imagined or in real life...)

Can Crossdressers be Drag Queens too? YES / NO
Can Drag Queens be Crossdressers too? YES / NO

If you answer anything but "Yes" to either of those questions, your own delusional thinking is made inherently clear. The two are basic terms that ANYONE, with a basic knowledge of the two would agree, overlap.

Bring me ONE... JUST ONE person who will state, in writing that the terms do not (as in NEVER) overlap and cite some actual data or evidence to prove the point and again... I'll leave this board and never return.

I'm waiting.