Is Tgirl a better word - and should that become the norm?

[msbhaven]

[quote=GroobyKrissy;1453683]

Are you freakin' serious. You actually thought I was serious? Good lord.

Why not? It made about as much sense as the rest of what you have posted tonight. Like I said sarcasm is easy to miss online.

[GroobyKrissy]

It's not even that I don't consider pre transition transsexual real transsexuals. It's simply that I don't believe they should have the right to identify themselves as such in society, because they haven't EARNED the right to yet.

Incongruity between the brain and the body IS a state of mind, a long term state of mind that is. I simply added more wording to the definition to clarify for you that I wasn't using state of mind in the sense of angry happy sad or some other SHORT TERM state of mind, because I could see how you were trying to twist it back in to a nonsensical state of being.

This is why I don't waste my time on pre transition transsexuals and CDs and TVs. You are all like teenagers in high school or at best college students living in a dorm, all sure of yourself and your definitions of the world, smug in your self righteousness and convinced that you know better then the adults who have lived in the real world. You won't take advise, you won't listen to those who have been there before you and experienced the life you only fantasize about, and you are sure that your way, your view is the only right one. What utter nonsense.

So you can "earn" your Transsexual badge... NICE! Brownies, here I come!

"waste your time..." And you and Kelly think that no "superiority complex" exists? Of course, even for everything Kelly has said about that not existing thus far, she will never take you to task for what you've said, right? I mean, all YOU Transsexuals always stick together and such.

You think I fantasize about your life? Hooking? You've kind of stated before that is how you make your living, at least partially, right? Yeah, that's the dream for me. Look, I don't mind that you escort... more power to you. Don't think for one second I fantasize about living your life though. Been there... done it.... IN SPADES.

My life suits me just fine. I'm making changes in it, which you would know if you had cared enough to read. As of right now, you're just sounding more and more foolish as you make assumptions about me that are entirely incorrect.

[msbhaven]

No... you don't agree... unless you're both changing your definitions.

You think it is "identity" - that is, a willful state (you can will yourself to believe anything you want about your "identity"). Also, as such, an identity can change by force of will.

She believes it is (as stated) an incongruity between the body and the mind. Incongruity implies defect by definition.

I believe neither is correct on their face.

Now you are just being willfully obtuse, or at least I hope you are because the alternative doesn't bare contemplation.

[MrsKellyPierce]

If you are the one that is going to speak for our community I'm worried..I will just say that Krissy...

[MrsKellyPierce]

So you can "earn" your Transsexual badge... NICE! Brownies, here I come!

"waste your time..." And you and Kelly think that no "superiority complex" exists? Of course, even for everything Kelly has said about that not existing thus far, she will never take you to task for what you've said, right? I mean, all YOU Transsexuals always stick together and such.

You think I fantasize about your life? Hooking? You've kind of stated before that is how you make your living, at least partially, right? Yeah, that's the dream for me. Look, I don't mind that you escort... more power to you. Don't think for one second I fantasize about living your life though. Been there... done it.... IN SPADES.

My life suits me just fine. I'm making changes in it, which you would know if you had cared enough to read. As of right now, you're just sounding more and more foolish as you make assumptions about me that are entirely incorrect.

I don't think she was talking about the escorting part, I think she was talking about crossdresses that would like to look more feminine. I have loads of crossdresses that are obsessed with me or say they wish they looked like me. As do Eva Lin, Kimber, and the list goes on.

I stated earlier that some trans-women feel that they are more female than others after surgeries/hormones. I said that..YOU DON'T READ..you just TYPE BS..

[MrsKellyPierce]

So you can "earn" your Transsexual badge... NICE! Brownies, here I come!

"waste your time..." And you and Kelly think that no "superiority complex" exists? Of course, even for everything Kelly has said about that not existing thus far, she will never take you to task for what you've said, right? I mean, all YOU Transsexuals always stick together and such.

You think I fantasize about your life? Hooking? You've kind of stated before that is how you make your living, at least partially, right? Yeah, that's the dream for me. Look, I don't mind that you escort... more power to you. Don't think for one second I fantasize about living your life though. Been there... done it.... IN SPADES.

My life suits me just fine. I'm making changes in it, which you would know if you had cared enough to read. As of right now, you're just sounding more and more foolish as you make assumptions about me that are entirely incorrect.

I don't think she was talking about the escorting part, I think she was talking about crossdresses that would like to look more feminine. I have loads of crossdresses that are obsessed with me or say they wish they looked like me. As do Eva Lin, Kimber, and the list goes on.

I stated earlier that some trans-women feel that they are more female than others after surgeries/hormones. I said that..YOU DON'T READ..you just TYPE BS..

And then talking crap about her being an escort on an ADULT BOARD..really?? Aren't you a porn model?? Girl come on..stop being shady..you are being shady in a round about way. You know it and I know it.

Stop acting twelve.

[GroobyKrissy]

Krissy all knowing please define to me what a transsexual is since you think some how we disagree.. especially me who has been living her life as a female since age 12.

She said it had to do with the upstairs just like me...I don't know where you are coming from!

The only difference between her and I is..if you haven't lived it you haven't earned the right to call yourself a transsexual.

That was the only difference.

Transsexual is a state of being that one can know inherently or come to understand through experience, reflecting a true belief that one's assigned gender at birth is incorrect.

Transgender is the state of choosing not to associate with one's assigned gender at birth or not to conform to societal gender binaries (i.e. - male and female).

Pretty simple really.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Transsexual is a state of being that one can know inherently or come to understand through experience, reflecting a true belief that one's assigned gender at birth is incorrect.

Transgender is the state of choosing not to associate with one's assigned gender at birth or not to conform to societal gender binaries (i.e. - male and female).

Pretty simple really.

That is not what a transgender is...transgender is an umbrella term for:

intersexed, transsexual, gender queer, non-conforming, drag queen, transvestite, crossdresser, and the list goes on..

So it's a state of being..which means in ones mind...exactly what I said hours ago...

And the transition road varies for every transsexual like I said hours ago.

So you basically agreed with me??

HUH

[msbhaven]

So you can "earn" your Transsexual badge... NICE! Brownies, here I come!

"waste your time..." And you and Kelly think that no "superiority complex" exists? Of course, even for everything Kelly has said about that not existing thus far, she will never take you to task for what you've said, right? I mean, all YOU Transsexuals always stick together and such.

You think I fantasize about your life? Hooking? You've kind of stated before that is how you make your living, at least partially, right? Yeah, that's the dream for me. Look, I don't mind that you escort... more power to you. Don't think for one second I fantasize about living your life though. Been there... done it.... IN SPADES.

My life suits me just fine. I'm making changes in it, which you would know if you had cared enough to read. As of right now, you're just sounding more and more foolish as you make assumptions about me that are entirely incorrect.

Eye rolls. I have been a whore before but no I neither cam model or escort any more. I work a real job with a real company and collect a real pay check at a place where people either call me Ma'am or by my legal name. So talk about assumptions and lack of knowledge about somebody's life. Sheesh.

As I said before I don't care to read a damn book to glean what is going on in somebody's life. I gave you a chance to tell me about the changes in your life through a series of simple questions. You chose not to answer and go off on a tangent about the difference in view points between Kelly and myself.

And you are still on that tangent. Honey we are laughing at you at this point because you look so foolish. I know where she stands on this topic and respect her for her position and she knows where I stand on it and respects my right to my opinion. What's really funny is that you keep trying to hammer that wedge in when the difference between Kelly and I on this is close enough to split a hair especially when compared to the gulf that separates your opinions from ours.

[GroobyKrissy]

I don't think she was talking about the escorting part, I think she was talking about crossdresses that would like to look more feminine. I have loads of crossdresses that are obsessed with me or say they wish they looked like me. As do Eva Lin, Kimber, and the list goes on.

I stated earlier that some trans-women feel that they are more female than others after surgeries/hormones. I said that..YOU DON'T READ..you just TYPE BS..

And then talking crap about her being an escort on an ADULT BOARD..really?? Aren't you a porn model?? Girl come on..stop being shady..you are being shady in a round about way. You know it and I know it.

Stop acting twelve.

Kelly... I knew what she meant.

It was a pointed answer to an obvious attempt of "looking down the nose". Normally speaking, if you say someone fantasizes about your life, you think you have something they want. I knew exactly what she was talking about and picked out something incongruous to highlight.

Yeah... I'll try writing in English next time so you can read and understand it. Sorry.