Is Tgirl a better word - and should that become the norm?

[MrsKellyPierce]

You are basically saying because Ashley Beth's aka Msbehaven and my own opinion differ somewhat on what a transsexual is..we are LOST...you are the only one lost...and I don't know any other activist who wouldn't say the same as me other than to be politically correct for the masses.

I stated many transsexual don't feel you are a real transsexual till you live it day to day and do the necessary treatments it involves to change your body.

That has to do with a difference of dysphoria and feeling their way is the right way.

At the end of the day though we both agree it is about the identification and workings that are going on UPSTAIRS.

So your argument you think you are so clever about is LACKING..

[msbhaven]

You are basically saying because Ashley Beth's aka Msbehaven and my own opinion differ somewhat on what a transsexual is..we are LOST...you are the only one lost...and I don't know any other activist who wouldn't say the same as me other than to be politically correct for the masses.

I stated many transsexual don't feel you are a real transsexual till you live it day to day and do the necessary treatments it involves to change your body.

That has to do with a difference of dysphoria and feeling their way is the right way.

At the end of the day though we both agree it is about the identification and workings that are going on UPSTAIRS.

So your argument you think you are so clever about is LACKING..

It's not even that I don't consider pre transition transsexual real transsexuals. It's simply that I don't believe they should have the right to identify themselves as such in society, because they haven't EARNED the right to yet.

Incongruity between the brain and the body IS a state of mind, a long term state of mind that is. I simply added more wording to the definition to clarify for you that I wasn't using state of mind in the sense of angry happy sad or some other SHORT TERM state of mind, because I could see how you were trying to twist it back in to a nonsensical state of being.

This is why I don't waste my time on pre transition transsexuals and CDs and TVs. You are all like teenagers in high school or at best college students living in a dorm, all sure of yourself and your definitions of the world, smug in your self righteousness and convinced that you know better then the adults who have lived in the real world. You won't take advise, you won't listen to those who have been there before you and experienced the life you only fantasize about, and you are sure that your way, your view is the only right one. What utter nonsense.

[GroobyKrissy]

[quote=KellyShore;1453665]

A fairly expected response.

You have a nice night too. See you around in the activist circles.[/QUOTED] Do you know what dysphoria is?? What you are talking about is timeline and experiences. It all comes back to dysphoria and life stages. All things to do with TRANSITION = TRANSSEXUAL.

Living as a man happily and dressing up for fun, sexual, and fetish purposes has nothing to do with Being a transsexual.

No. What I'm arguing AGAINST is that a timeline exists at all.

I think you meant to post this to Msbhaven who clearly thinks that if you never actually transition (whatever that means), you cannot be Transsexual. So again, you two should talk and get your stories straight.

I would argue this when it comes to timelines. The realization that one is Transsexual is a personal and private experience that changes from person to person. It could come at the age of 1 and it could come at the age of 99... it could come never. You could, in fact, die, wholly not understanding the feelings you have and simply adapting to live your life around them. It is not unlike being gay (notice I'm not saying the two are the same thing).

As for dysphoria... no Kelly, never heard the word in my life. Can you educate me, please? (don't do it, I know what it is).

As to your last: I've never said that it does. I've said that it can. You are failing to understand that, and it is an important difference.

[MrsKellyPierce]

It's not even that I don't consider pre transition transsexual real transsexuals. It's simply that I don't believe they should have the right to identify themselves as such in society, because they haven't EARNED the right to yet.

Incongruity between the brain and the body IS a state of mind, a long term state of mind that is. I simply added more wording to the definition to clarify for you that I wasn't using state of mind in the sense of angry happy sad or some other SHORT TERM state of mind, because I could see how you were trying to twist it back in to a nonsensical state of being.

This is why I don't waste my time on pre transition transsexuals and CDs and TVs. You are all like teenagers in high school or at best college students living in a dorm, all sure of yourself and your definitions of the world, smug in your self righteousness and convinced that you know better then the adults who have lived in the real world. You won't take advise, you won't listen to those who have been there before you and experienced the life you only fantasize about, and you are sure that your way, your view is the only right one. What utter nonsense.

No, no, no we are the smug ones..the superior ones...

The ones that were talking about age, surgeries, and other things she mentioned I know I never brought it up. I never say a girl is too old to transition you can grab it at any moment.

I don't understand where her self hate is coming from, you on hormones over there Krissy, going through mood swings??

[MrsKellyPierce]

But many girls again that transition aren't always transsexuals...they just like the glamour and find it more appealing to live as woman..so they get surgeries, get on hormones, and live the life. Many times its for financial reasons, attention, and the list goes on.

A transsexual dear is someone that identifies as the opposite gender of what they were born, bringing me back to my original point. Surgeries and hormones do not make a transssexual!

[msbhaven]

[quote=GroobyKrissy;1453675]

As for dysphoria... no Kelly, never heard the word in my life. Can you educate me, please? (don't do it, I know what it is).
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This speaks volumes about your ignorance regarding GID and transsexualism. Volumes!

Beg your pardon, sarcasm is easy to miss online.

[GroobyKrissy]

You are basically saying because Ashley Beth's aka Msbehaven and my own opinion differ somewhat on what a transsexual is..we are LOST...you are the only one lost...and I don't know any other activist who wouldn't say the same as me other than to be politically correct for the masses.

I stated many transsexual don't feel you are a real transsexual till you live it day to day and do the necessary treatments it involves to change your body.

That has to do with a difference of dysphoria and feeling their way is the right way.

At the end of the day though we both agree it is about the identification and workings that are going on UPSTAIRS.

So your argument you think you are so clever about is LACKING..

No... you don't agree... unless you're both changing your definitions.

You think it is "identity" - that is, a willful state (you can will yourself to believe anything you want about your "identity"). Also, as such, an identity can change by force of will.

She believes it is (as stated) an incongruity between the body and the mind. Incongruity implies defect by definition.

I believe neither is correct on their face.

[GroobyKrissy]

[quote=msbhaven;1453680]

This speaks volumes about your ignorance regarding GID and transsexualism. Volumes!

Beg your pardon, sarcasm is easy to miss online.

Are you freakin' serious. You actually thought I was serious? Good lord.

[msbhaven]

A transsexual dear is someone that identifies as the opposite gender of what they were born, bringing me back to my original point. Surgeries and hormones do not make a transssexual!

Totally agreed but girls who DON'T transition at all haven't earned the right to be identified in the same group with those who have in my opinion.

[MrsKellyPierce]

No... you don't agree... unless you're both changing your definitions.

You think it is "identity" - that is, a willful state (you can will yourself to believe anything you want about your "identity"). Also, as such, an identity can change by force of will.

She believes it is (as stated) an incongruity between the body and the mind. Incongruity implies defect by definition.

I believe neither is correct on their face.

Krissy all knowing please define to me what a transsexual is since you think some how we disagree.. especially me who has been living her life as a female since age 12.

She said it had to do with the upstairs just like me...I don't know where you are coming from!

The only difference between her and I is..if you haven't lived it you haven't earned the right to call yourself a transsexual.

That was the only difference.