Is Tgirl a better word - and should that become the norm?

[MrsKellyPierce]

OK, wasn't really asking all that but, thanks for the brief history.

How's that definition coming along...? You willing to stick with yours too (you may want to get together with Msbhaven because you both have fairly different definitions of "Transsexual"... and it really should be a pretty easy to answer since you both claim the title and thus should readily know how to define yourselves... and, you've been an activist since you were 16 and all)?

Mine is still with identification...hormones/surgeries comes later. Our dyshporia is all different and it tells us when our road/journey is done.

I think you are just cocky and childish.

You obviously feel if noone agrees with your way we are wrong..

It's just not the case..

[GroobyKrissy]

It's not so much that we disagree dear it's that Kelly is more tolerant then I am. She is willing to give people a pass that I am no longer so quick to grant. I respect her tremendously for it but I've grown tired of pre transition transsexuals trying to say they are just like me when in fact they aren't. That aren't by life experience and they aren't by level of commitment to who they are inside. I think it's great that Kelly can see that potential in certain pre transition individuals. Her experience with that group has been far better then mine apparently.

Look... this isn't difficult... a definition is, by definition... a definition. What I'm asking isn't hard so stop making excuses for yourselves.

Your stated definition is inherently different from hers and I can go through them both as to why. However, in the interests of comedy, I'll still allow you both to chat and figure out which one you want to use.

Why and how can two self-identified Transsexuals (one an activist for the cause, and the other with years(?) of experience to back the title up) have different definitions?

Could it be possibly be that "Transsexual" isn't quite the simple thing you both make it out to be? Could it be in this crazy thing called humanity, there are variations that you both have not accounted for? Could that possibility exist?

Nah, I suppose not.

[GroobyKrissy]

Mine is still with identification...hormones/surgeries comes later. Our dyshporia is all different and it tells us when our road/journey is done.

I think you are just cocky and childish.

You obviously feel if noone agrees with your way we are wrong..

It's just not the case..

Think what you want. I asked for a very simple thing and got two different definitions from people who identify as Transsexual. When pushed on that issue... insult. Run. Hide.

I don't think you are wrong. I think you need to re-think your reasoning and have a firm grasp of the issues so that when you move forward with your activism (and I mean that with all sincerity) and come face to face with people who are not sympathetic AT ALL with your cause, you will know how to explain it.

Otherwise it is YOU and all the other 1,000,000's of Transsexuals who have their own definition of the term who end up looking foolish.

Ask a Gay male... Define Gay? You're not going to get as different answers as you two gave.

Ask a Lesbian woman... Define Lesbian? Again... probably pretty straightforward answer.

Why should "Transsexual" be different?

I'm not saying this to argue. I'm saying this because it is a problem, and to move forward, Transsexuals need to define the terms instead of just assuming everyone is talking about the same thing. Clearly... you're not.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Look... this isn't difficult... a definition is, by definition... a definition. What I'm asking isn't hard so stop making excuses for yourselves.

Your stated definition is inherently different from hers and I can go through them both as to why. However, in the interests of comedy, I'll still allow you both to chat and figure out which one you want to use.

Why and how can two self-identified Transsexuals (one an activist for the cause, and the other with years(?) of experience to back the title up) have different definitions?

Could it be possibly be that "Transsexual" isn't quite the simple thing you both make it out to be? Could it be in this crazy thing called humanity, there are variations that you both have not accounted for? Could that possibility exist?

Nah, I suppose not.

Umm Hello Yoda


I believe I said that pages ago..your tactic is to keep typing and putting words in my mouth..until I get bored..so you feel like you won the debate.

Our dysphoria/transition is different for all....

I began living full time as a girl at age 12. I didn't have to unlearn male characteristics or go through many of the things older girls go through. Does that make me more transsexual..NO..we all have a different timeline..journey..experiences...

HOWEVER A CROSSDRESSER by THE DEFINITION IS STILL A CIS PERSON DRESSING UP FOR FETISH PURPOSE OR FUN!

Someone that identifies as a woman deep down..is a TRANSSEXUAL..because they identify as such..


I do not know what your goal is other than the CHIP you have on your shoulder.

Many girls I will admit feel after they get surgeries or take hormones are more woman than another transsexual, but this is not the case. What binds a transsexual with another transsexual is HOW WE IDENTIFY. That's it..plain and simple.

There are beautiful transsexuals, there are average transsexuals, there are ugly transsexuals, there are butch transsexuals, there are lesbian transsexuals, there are tom boy transsexuals, but there are not CROSSDRESSING TRANSSEXUALS.

[msbhaven]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=84544

Guess you should maybe get to know who you're talking with before you open your mouth?

So, I will answer all of your questions following your answering of this one. So, your latest definition is the one you want to use... you don't want to further enhance, change, or alter it? I'm asking for a very pointed reason so think it over.

There's a good reason I didn't bother to go through all of that, if I'm going to read a book it will be one from my private collection at home not a series of posts on a message board. Besides your posts here in this thread and in the previous one that was deleted better define you then anything you wrote in that thread. I imagine that I can guess the answer to a great many of my questions for you already given what I've seen here.

I've been nothing but polite to you here in attempting to try and help you see over the fence to what it is like on the other side. You on the other hand have managed to grow insulting and belligerent within less then 5 posts.

And BTW that's not the way it works dearie. You can either answer my questions or not I don't care. You are the one after all who is seeking validation for who you are not I. I've never felt the need to write a book on a message board in an attempt to define myself or justify my actions regarding my transition to anybody else. I will tell you this however. Both of my definitions come far closer to the truth of what it is to be transsexual in a few words then all of that mountain of posts that you placed in that linked thread. It's really quite simple. I knew I wasn't a boy before I could even talk, and I lived with that for as long as I could manage, but I didn't fully understand what it was to be a woman or a transsexual woman until I lived my life as one.

If you ever transition and you are honest with yourself, one day you are going to look back on this time and wonder what in the world you were thinking that prompted you to act this way. Kelly, Bella and I have been fairly mild in our criticism of you here, far milder then your reactions to be sure. I can promise you that others out there would not be so kind and would not pull their punches in the least.

So go ahead and devastate me with your legalize that proves how you are right and all of us are wrong. It won't change a thing. You will still be an untransitioned part timer while we will be going on with our lives as the women we always knew we were from the beginning and that we had the courage to become.

[simonisthebest]

kelly u dont have to prove yourself really...i dont even know what u keep talkin with someone who doesnt even assume her true identity, she writing essay about nonsense ,every page

what she need to do ,is to give us a update of her gender,she doesnt even know

[GroobyKrissy]

There's a good reason I didn't bother to go through all of that, if I'm going to read a book it will be one from my private collection at home not a series of posts on a message board. Besides your posts here in this thread and in the previous one that was deleted better define you then anything you wrote in that thread. I imagine that I can guess the answer to a great many of my questions for you already given what I've seen here.

I've been nothing but polite to you here in attempting to try and help you see over the fence to what it is like on the other side. You on the other hand have managed to grow insulting and belligerent within less then 5 posts.

And BTW that's not the way it works dearie. You can either answer my questions or not I don't care. You are the one after all who is seeking validation for who you are not I. I've never felt the need to write a book on a message board in an attempt to define myself or justify my actions regarding my transition to anybody else. I will tell you this however. Both of my definitions come far closer to the truth of what it is to be transsexual in a few words then all of that mountain of posts that you placed in that linked thread. It's really quite simple. I knew I wasn't a boy before I could even talk, and I lived with that for as long as I could manage, but I didn't fully understand what it was to be a woman or a transsexual woman until I lived my life as one.

If you ever transition and you are honest with yourself, one day you are going to look back on this time and wonder what in the world you were thinking that prompted you to act this way. Kelly, Bella and I have been fairly mild in our criticism of you here, far milder then your reactions to be sure. I can promise you that others out there would not be so kind and would not pull their punches in the least.

So go ahead and devastate me with your legalize that proves how you are right and all of us are wrong. It won't change a thing. You will still be an untransitioned part timer while we will be going on with our lives as the women we always knew we were from the beginning and that we had the courage to become.

So, despite saying to your face, that I identify as "Transsexual", you just can't resist the parting shot, can you? Just had to get that little barb in, right? Nice... but expected as well.

Look, I don't really have to devastate you. You and Kelly both have done that to yourselves. I didn't have to plan it, manipulate it, or make it happen. You two did it on your own without any help from me by proffering two different definitions for the same word that you both profess to be "experts" on: Transsexual.

Look, I'm not trying to devastate anybody. I'm not trying to be right and I'm not trying to be wrong. I'm illustrating that the issue of Transsexual is far more complicated that you two believe and the disparity between your two definitions (identity and incongruity are vastly different things) proves that fact.

How in god's green earth can anyone take the Transsexual community seriously if it can't even define itself properly and with unity?

[MrsKellyPierce]

So, despite saying to your face, that I identify as "Transsexual", you just can't resist the parting shot, can you? Just had to get that little barb in, right? Nice... but expected as well.

Look, I don't really have to devastate you. You and Kelly both have done that to yourselves. I didn't have to plan it, manipulate it, or make it happen. You two did it on your own without any help from me by proffering two different definitions for the same word that you both profess to be "experts" on: Transsexual.

Look, I'm not trying to devastate anybody. I'm not trying to be right and I'm not trying to be wrong. I'm illustrating that the issue of Transsexual is far more complicated that you two believe and the disparity between your two definitions (identity and incongruity are vastly different things) proves that fact.

How in god's green earth can anyone take the Transsexual community seriously if it can't even define itself properly and with unity?

Girl you are coming off as loco...

Have a nice night

[GroobyKrissy]

Girl you are coming off as loco...

Have a nice night

A fairly expected response.

You have a nice night too. See you around in the activist circles.

[MrsKellyPierce]

[QUOTE=GroobyKrissy;1453660]A fairly expected response.

You have a nice night too. See you around in the activist circles.[/QUOTED] Do you know what dysphoria is?? What you are talking about is timeline and experiences. It all comes back to dysphoria and life stages. All things to do with TRANSITION = TRANSSEXUAL.

Living as a man happily and dressing up for fun, sexual, and fetish purposes has nothing to do with Being a transsexual.