Is Tgirl a better word - and should that become the norm?

[MrsKellyPierce]

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This one statement undermines the entirety of your post.

If Transsexual is a "state of mind" (only) then it can be changed.

In fairness, I will give you a chance to revise that, or clarify. Otherwise I will continue. Ready. Set. Go.

There is no reason to edit it

Being a transsexual is identifying as the opposite of what you were born..


We wouldn't know that unless we had BRAINS..everything we do..everything we think..everything we believe..everything we know has to do with the upstairs.

Being a transsexual is a state of mind it's all to do with the upstairs..the need for surgeries, hormones, and the other has to do with our brains telling us we need these things.

[msbhaven]

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This one statement undermines the entirety of your post.

If Transsexual is a "state of mind" (only) then it can be changed.

In fairness, I will give you a chance to revise that, or clarify. Otherwise I will continue. Ready. Set. Go.

I beg your pardon. In an attempt to over simplify it so you couldn't legalize your way around the concept I misspoke. You are correct state of minds are changeable. Let me try again then. Transsexualism is an incongruity between what the brain identifies itself as and the physical body that contains said brain.

That being said, an un transitioned transsexual simply lacks the life experience to dictate to or speak for a transsexual who has been through transition and lives their life as their self identified gender. Just as I can not speak for post operative transsexual woman because I lack their life experience it is wrong for you to attempt to speak for somebody like myself because you lack the life experience that qualifies you to do so.

[GroobyKrissy]

So wait are you a crossdresser or a transsexual??

Obviously you're transsexual, because you're seem so vehement on being called a crossdresser.

A transsexual again has nothing to do with surgeries or hormones! That's just an added bonus to transitioning.

Transitioning has nothing to do with age or any of the non-sense you are putting on us..

Inside Krissy do you feel as woman or do feel as a man?

I've been an activist since I was 16...

Again Krissy I had no idea you were a crossdresser in the first place so I don't know where your attitude and putting words in my mouth is coming from.

Kelly,

Look into that dripping vat of honey you're standing in and figure it out. Figure it out.

And what activism where you engaged in at 16 and have continued since then? I'm not being snotty... truly curious.

[GroobyKrissy]

Well, it seems like Kelly and Msbhaven disagree on what "Transsexual" is. Hmmm... surprise, surprise. One says there is no need to change the stated definition and then the other one changes it. Hmmm... Two equally vocal Transsexuals can't agree on a definition and then put forth ones that are inherently different in meaning.

You two Dears put your heads together and come up with one definition that you both agree on, mmmk? Then get back to me and we'll take it from there.

Thanks Honeys!

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kelly,

Look into that dripping vat of honey you're standing in and figure it out. Figure it out.

And what activism where you engaged in at 16 and have continued since then? I'm not being snotty... truly curious.

I laugh at this..I'm not even going to respond after this.

My activism is out there...whether I did by serving on a board...partaking at events..helping girls get into school as females like I did MYSELF in El Paso, Illinois as a FEMALE with 2500 people..I just rejoined activism on the front lines again with NCTE..

I help young transitioners all the time with my blog. I help the men that are into us.. the list goes on sweety..

So please do not try to invalidate me..

[msbhaven]

No, Honey... you don't get it.

I have stated publicly, ON THIS BOARD, now that I identify as "transsexual". It is you and your ilk (I know that sounds bad, but for lack of a better word) who refuse to come off of your lofty thrones and bestow the title upon me... which is fine and not my point (and really, I could care less, regardless of what it sounds like). I am strong enough not to need yours or anyone else's validation for myself as a person.

Why am I still not afforded the title? Because I still "live" as a male. Big whoopie. Why should the way you live matter at all if it is "in between the ears" as Kelly postulates. Because I haven't spent thousands of dollars altering my body and instead have chosen to provide a solid and financially viable future for myself I cannot be Transsexual?

Let me ask you this question. If, tomorrow, I went out and changed my name, and started living 100% full time as a woman, are you in fact, saying that suddenly that would "make me Transsexual" and I would be welcomed with open arms by you, by Kelly, and by everyone else? I would suddenly be one of you, instead of one of them?

I would guess no. Y'all would come up with some other silly reason. Oh, you're just modifying your body... you still THINK like a man, and thus you are. Oh, you're too old... you can't be Transsexual unless you've transitioned by the time you're 23. Oh... etc. etc. etc.

Like I have already stated... I could care less about labels and what people think about me. Which is why I put it all out there... everything... my life story out there to read. I don't care. I am who I am and as I get older, I realize that I want to do something that is apart from myself and will live beyond me.

What I care about now is unifying the Transgender umbrella and fighting towards a common goal instead of this backbiting and undermining. Nothing will ever get accomplished otherwise... for all this talk Transsexuals do about wanting equality... I see few involved in the porn industry actually doing anything about it. I am... and it starts with trying to unify this fractured and broken community, which I'm beginning to realize now... is not going to happen on this board.

That's fine. There are other avenues and methods to pursue. I wish I could move forward with the support of some voices here but minus those, I'll still continue with my plans.

OK so we are redefining the parameters of the conversation then I suppose. So you identify as transsexual, congratulations. When do you plan to transition? Why haven't you started transition? How much of your time do you spend as Krissy? Do you do anything besides porn shoots as Krissy? What steps have you taken to facilitate transition? Have you be to a therapist for a diagnosis? When do you plan to start HRT? Have you started legal proceedings to legally change your name? Have you started facial hair removal?

All of these questions need answers if you expect people to take your claim of transsexulism seriously.

Just for the record, I've never spent one dime on surgery (don't have the dimes to spend on it) and even if I did it would be about looking younger for me not more feminine (GRS excluded of course). I work a regular 9 to 5 job as my female self and I started transition after I was in my 30s. My one regret is that I didn't start sooner and that I hid it from so many people for so much of my life. I spent my time in front of the camera to feed my ego, spent my time on cam to earn a pay check until a day job came my way, and even was an escort when I wasn't sure if I would ever be hired by anybody as myself. I once thought the same way you do, the same way most pre transition transsexuals do and I'm not trying to insult you because I was brutally insulted when I was first starting out by more then one person. But until you have lived it, you just can't get it the way a girl like myself does.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kelly,

Look into that dripping vat of honey you're standing in and figure it out. Figure it out.

And what activism where you engaged in at 16 and have continued since then? I'm not being snotty... truly curious.

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My activism is out there...whether I did it by serving on a board PRIDE...partaking at events..Speaking at colleges...speaking at conventions..helping girls get into school as females like I did MYSELF in El Paso, Illinois as a FEMALE with 2500 people it's out the there interviews are everywhere..I just rejoined activism on the front lines again with NCTE..

I help young transitioners all the time with my blog Secretkelly.com. I help the men that are into us.. the list goes on sweety..

I didn't get into porn till I was 26...STEVEN can tell you that...

The first scene I did was for TSSEDUCTION

[GroobyKrissy]

OK so we are redefining the parameters of the conversation then I suppose. So you identify as transsexual, congratulations. When do you plan to transition? Why haven't you started transition? How much of your time do you spend as Krissy? Do you do anything besides porn shoots as Krissy? What steps have you taken to facilitate transition? Have you be to a therapist for a diagnosis? When do you plan to start HRT? Have you started legal proceedings to legally change your name? Have you started facial hair removal?

All of these questions need answers if you expect people to take your claim of transsexulism seriously.

Just for the record, I've never spent one dime on surgery (don't have the dimes to spend on it) and even if I did it would be about looking younger for me not more feminine (GRS excluded of course). I work a regular 9 to 5 job as my female self and I started transition after I was in my 30s. My one regret is that I didn't start sooner and that I hid it from so many people for so much of my life. I spent my time in front of the camera to feed my ego, spent my time on cam to earn a pay check until a day job came my way, and even was an escort when I wasn't sure if I would ever be hired by anybody as myself. I once thought the same way you do, the same way most pre transition transsexuals do and I'm not trying to insult you because I was brutally insulted when I was first starting out by more then one person. But until you have lived it, you just can't get it the way a girl like myself does.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=84544

Guess you should maybe get to know who you're talking with before you open your mouth?

So, I will answer all of your questions following your answering of this one. So, your latest definition is the one you want to use... you don't want to further enhance, change, or alter it? I'm asking for a very pointed reason so think it over.

[msbhaven]

Well, it seems like Kelly and Msbhaven disagree on what "Transsexual" is. Hmmm... surprise, surprise. One says there is no need to change the stated definition and then the other one changes it. Hmmm... Two equally vocal Transsexuals can't agree on a definition and then put forth ones that are inherently different in meaning.

You two Dears put your heads together and come up with one definition that you both agree on, mmmk? Then get back to me and we'll take it from there.

Thanks Honeys!

It's not so much that we disagree dear it's that Kelly is more tolerant then I am. She is willing to give people a pass that I am no longer so quick to grant. I respect her tremendously for it but I've grown tired of pre transition transsexuals trying to say they are just like me when in fact they aren't. That aren't by life experience and they aren't by level of commitment to who they are inside. I think it's great that Kelly can see that potential in certain pre transition individuals. Her experience with that group has been far better then mine apparently.

[GroobyKrissy]

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My activism is out there...whether I did it by serving on a board PRIDE...partaking at events..Speaking at colleges...speaking at conventions..helping girls get into school as females like I did MYSELF in El Paso, Illinois as a FEMALE with 2500 people it's out the there interviews are everywhere..I just rejoined activism on the front lines again with NCTE..

I help young transitioners all the time with my blog Secretkelly.com. I help the men that are into us.. the list goes on sweety..

I didn't get into porn till I was 26...STEVEN can tell you that...

The first scene I did was for TSSEDUCTION

OK, wasn't really asking all that but, thanks for the brief history.

How's that definition coming along...? You willing to stick with yours too (you may want to get together with Msbhaven because you both have fairly different definitions of "Transsexual"... and it really should be a pretty easy to answer since you both claim the title and thus should readily know how to define yourselves... and, you've been an activist since you were 16 and all)?