Is Tgirl a better word - and should that become the norm?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Edited by me. Context is not changed.



Good grief.

Kelly... surely you MUST realize how insanely irrational this is.

A crossdresser cannot be Transsexual but a Drag Queen CAN? WTF???

I suppose the next questions would logically be:

Can a Crossdresser be a Drag Queen? To which you would logically, in fact HAVE to answer "NO" (because then crossdressers could indeed be Transsexual)

Likewise I could also ask, "Well then, can a Drag Queen be a crossdresser?" Which again, you would have to answer "NO" (for the same reason).

Both of those answer are pure silliness. Crossdressers and Drag Queens overlap all the time. I think that is indisputable.

Simply put, you, in fact, having already stated in writing that you were once a Drag Queen, must include them as being possibly Transsexual since you claim the title yourself. It's not hard to see what you're doing. You're unwilling to admit you were ever a crossdresser so you substitute Drag Queen for the title... which really, and I mean this with all due respect, is utterly laughable.

This is insanity and I don't really feel we can continue a conversation if this is your point of view.

Anyway, like I said, I'm not mad. I think you have a good heart. Confused on some issues but you have taken the time to write and I think that is worth something.

Thanks for the discussion and I wish you a good rest of your day.

You don't read a CROSSDRESSER is TYPICALLY A STRAIGHT MAN!

SOMEONE THAT IDENTIFIES AS A WOMAN WAS NEVER EVER A CROSSDRESSER EVER!!!!!!!

Just because they didn't take PILLS or get SURGERIES doesn't mean they aren't TRANSSEXUALS..

Many transsexuals are part timers that other girls may consider crossdressers, but consider them TRANS-WOMEN JUST LIKE MYSELF. DO YOU KNOW WHY?? BECAUSE THEY DEAL AND THINK THE SAME WAY I DO..

You need everything in black and white..everything has to go in perfectly to be one or the other.. which is not the CASE...

Again let me re-state what I said earlier JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE GETS USED TO THE IDEA OR LIKES THE SATISFACTION THEY GET FROM BEING THE OPPOSITE SEX DOES NOT MAKE THEM A TRANSSEXUAL! NO MATTER HOW GOOD THEY LOOK..HOW MANY SURGERIES HAVE..THE LIST GOES ON.

This is why we have PSYCHOLOGIST and more to deal with TRANSITION. So they know that we are making the right and SANE choice for US..

You count a crossdresser a crossdresser obviously just because they aren't on the road to transition. When I know plenty of men that I stated earlier that are too scared to take the leap, because of either society/family reasons or financial reasons. I still count them as transsexuals. If those individuals voted and the men and women that were into us voted we would be unstoppable.

You on the other hand are silly..

[MrsKellyPierce]

Edited by me. Context is not changed.



Good grief.

Kelly... surely you MUST realize how insanely irrational this is.

A crossdresser cannot be Transsexual but a Drag Queen CAN? WTF???

I suppose the next questions would logically be:

Can a Crossdresser be a Drag Queen? To which you would logically, in fact HAVE to answer "NO" (because then crossdressers could indeed be Transsexual)

Likewise I could also ask, "Well then, can a Drag Queen be a crossdresser?" Which again, you would have to answer "NO" (for the same reason).

Both of those answer are pure silliness. Crossdressers and Drag Queens overlap all the time. I think that is indisputable.

Simply put, you, in fact, having already stated in writing that you were once a Drag Queen, must include them as being possibly Transsexual since you claim the title yourself. It's not hard to see what you're doing. You're unwilling to admit you were ever a crossdresser so you substitute Drag Queen for the title... which really, and I mean this with all due respect, is utterly laughable.

This is insanity and I don't really feel we can continue a conversation if this is your point of view.

Anyway, like I said, I'm not mad. I think you have a good heart. Confused on some issues but you have taken the time to write and I think that is worth something.

Thanks for the discussion and I wish you a good rest of your day.

You don't read a CROSSDRESSER is TYPICALLY A STRAIGHT MAN!

SOMEONE THAT IDENTIFIES AS A WOMAN WAS NEVER EVER A CROSSDRESSER EVER!!!!!!!

Just because they didn't take PILLS or get SURGERIES doesn't mean they aren't TRANSSEXUALS..

Many transsexuals are part timers that other girls may consider crossdressers, but I (me, myself and I) consider them TRANS-WOMEN JUST LIKE MYSELF. DO YOU KNOW WHY?? BECAUSE THEY DEAL AND THINK THE SAME WAY I DO..

You need everything in black and white..everything has to go in perfectly to be one or the other.. which is not the CASE...

Again let me re-state what I said earlier JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE GETS USED TO THE IDEA OR LIKES THE SATISFACTION THEY GET FROM BEING THE OPPOSITE SEX DOES NOT MAKE THEM A TRANSSEXUAL! NO MATTER HOW GOOD THEY LOOK..HOW MANY SURGERIES THEY HAVE..THE LIST GOES ON.

This is why we have PSYCHOLOGIST and more to deal with TRANSITION. So they know that we are making the right and SANE choice for US..

You count a crossdresser a crossdresser obviously just because they aren't on the road to transition. When I know plenty of men that are in fact transsexuals that I stated earlier that are too scared to take the leap, because of either society/family reasons or financial reasons. Yes, I still count them as transsexuals. If those individuals voted and the men and women that were into us voted we would be unstoppable.

You on the other hand are silly..

Drag queen is a job I don't see much difference in a crossdresser and a drag queen when they live as a men and enjoy their life as a man but dress here and there for whatever reason. But when a transsexual does DRAG she is still a TRANSSEXUAL..just like when an UNTRANSITIONED MALE who identifies as a woman is STILL A TRANSSEXUAL even if she does not TRANSITION EVER..she was never A CROSSDRESSER..because a CROSSDRESSER is someone who is happy living as what they were born as! It's not hard to understand...

I think you are the one that's confused sweetheart, not I...

A drag queen is a job..female impersonation is a job..many of these gay men don't even enjoy dressing up they get out of it asap after the show..but they like the $$ and the admiration that comes with it. Many trans-women do drag to not escort and to do pageants, because many want to be a pageant girl.

[GroobyKrissy]

Krissy you are just trying to argue to argue now..

How in god's green earth is asking for data for something you said trying to "argue" ? I'm interested in how you came up with that conclusion.

Are you saying we should all just be able to spout off anything we want and not be questioned for it?

C'mon, Kelly. I just asked you for the data. That's all.

[msbhaven]

You don't read a CROSSDRESSER is TYPICALLY A STRAIGHT MAN!

SOMEONE THAT IDENTIFIES AS A WOMAN WAS NEVER EVER A CROSSDRESSER EVER!!!!!!!

Just because they didn't take PILLS or get SURGERIES doesn't mean they aren't TRANSSEXUALS..

Many transsexuals are part timers that other girls may consider crossdressers, but I (me, myself and I) consider them TRANS-WOMEN JUST LIKE MYSELF. DO YOU KNOW WHY?? BECAUSE THEY DEAL AND THINK THE SAME WAY I DO..

You need everything in black and white..everything has to go in perfectly to be one or the other.. which is not the CASE...

Again let me re-state what I said earlier JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE GETS USED TO THE IDEA OR LIKES THE SATISFACTION THEY GET FROM BEING THE OPPOSITE SEX DOES NOT MAKE THEM A TRANSSEXUAL! NO MATTER HOW GOOD THEY LOOK..HOW MANY SURGERIES HAVE..THE LIST GOES ON.

This is why we have PSYCHOLOGIST and more to deal with TRANSITION. So they know that we are making the right and SANE choice for US..

You count a crossdresser a crossdresser obviously just because they aren't on the road to transition. When I know plenty of men that I stated earlier that are too scared to take the leap, because of either society/family reasons or financial reasons. I still count them as transsexuals. If those individuals voted and the men and women that were into us voted we would be unstoppable.

You on the other hand are silly..

Drag queen is a job I don't see much difference in a crossdresser and a drag queen when they live as a men and enjoy their life that way. But when a transsexual does DRAG she is still a TRANSSEXUAL..just like when an UNTRANSITIONED MALE who identifies as a woman is STILL A TRANSSEXUAL even if she does not TRANSITION EVER..she was never A CROSSDRESSER..because a CROSSDRESSER is someone who is happy living as what they were born as! It's not hard to understand...

You give far more credit then even I would give my pre transition self and that shows a generosity of spirit that should convince most people you don't view yourself as superior or better than others. I have mad respect for that.

[GroobyKrissy]

You don't read a CROSSDRESSER is TYPICALLY A STRAIGHT MAN!

I DO READ AND A DRAG QUEEN IS TYPICALLY A GAY MALE!
(Want the data to back that claim up?)

Kelly,

You're missing the point completely. I am not saying "ALWAYS"... I said "CAN".

Extrapolate:

Gay men (the Drag Queen) can be Transsexual.
Straight men (the Crossdresser) cannot be Transsexual.

This is what you've just said. Does that make ONE OUNCE of sense at all?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I DO READ AND A DRAG QUEEN IS TYPICALLY A GAY MALE!
(Want the data to back that claim up?)

Kelly,

You're missing the point completely. I am not saying "ALWAYS"... I said "CAN".

Extrapolate:

Gay men (the Drag Queen) can be Transsexual.
Straight men (the Crossdresser) cannot be Transsexual.

This is what you've just said. Does that make ONE OUNCE of sense at all?

No I did not say that Krissy..

I said crossdressers, drag queens, and/or transvestites that IDENTIFY AS CIS PEOPLE are not TRANSSEXUALS..the are not like US..

They identify as what they were born! Plain and simple.

To me a transsexual is someone that never felt comfortable in their own skin..they knew upstairs there was something wrong.

I'm sure like MSbhaven said she looks back now and thinks how did ever not know. I'm sure it was always there it just took some time to get out. I would not ever deem crossdresser, even when she thought she was at the time!

Sorry about it.. that's how I feel.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Being a transsexual is state of mind..point blank..thee end..

[GroobyKrissy]

Look Krissy the simple fact is you don't get it. And the reason you don't get it is that you aren't a transsexual. It's OK honey really. I didn't get it too well either before I transitioned.

From the other side of the fence I look back and wonder how I could have been so blind about it despite the fact that I WAS transsexual even though I hadn't transitioned yet. The answer is that I simply lacked the life experience living as my true self to fully comprehend what that would mean. At the time I had also not spent years on HRT, and I promise you that hormones WILL change your brain. But beyond that I had not given up the privileges and security that are part and parcel of being an outwardly hetero male in this society. I hadn't gone through the struggles of a legal name change, hadn't dealt with the misogynist behavior of men towards women, hadn't dealt with the mess that medical care becomes when you are born with male genitalia but live your life as a woman. In short I had no concept of what it was to live my life as a woman or as transitioned transsexual until I actually lived it. Because of that I was completely unqualified to determine questions like, "Is the word tranny offensive?" And I was utterly unsuited to speak for the experience of transsexual women.

I don't think transvestites or cross dressers are less then what I am I just think that they are different from what I am. They have a different life experience and are better able to advocate for their group then I would ever hope to be. I certainly believe that some of them really are transsexuals and that one day they may transition, but until they start that journey they have no place speaking for me or any other transsexual.

You are not less then or inferior to me or to Kelly or Bella or any other transsexual woman, you are simply different from us.

No, Honey... you don't get it.

I have stated publicly, ON THIS BOARD, now that I identify as "transsexual". It is you and your ilk (I know that sounds bad, but for lack of a better word) who refuse to come off of your lofty thrones and bestow the title upon me... which is fine and not my point (and really, I could care less, regardless of what it sounds like). I am strong enough not to need yours or anyone else's validation for myself as a person.

Why am I still not afforded the title? Because I still "live" as a male. Big whoopie. Why should the way you live matter at all if it is "in between the ears" as Kelly postulates. Because I haven't spent thousands of dollars altering my body and instead have chosen to provide a solid and financially viable future for myself I cannot be Transsexual?

Let me ask you this question. If, tomorrow, I went out and changed my name, and started living 100% full time as a woman, are you in fact, saying that suddenly that would "make me Transsexual" and I would be welcomed with open arms by you, by Kelly, and by everyone else? I would suddenly be one of you, instead of one of them?

I would guess no. Y'all would come up with some other silly reason. Oh, you're just modifying your body... you still THINK like a man, and thus you are. Oh, you're too old... you can't be Transsexual unless you've transitioned by the time you're 23. Oh... etc. etc. etc.

Like I have already stated... I could care less about labels and what people think about me. Which is why I put it all out there... everything... my life story out there to read. I don't care. I am who I am and as I get older, I realize that I want to do something that is apart from myself and will live beyond me.

What I care about now is unifying the Transgender umbrella and fighting towards a common goal instead of this backbiting and undermining. Nothing will ever get accomplished otherwise... for all this talk Transsexuals do about wanting equality... I see few involved in the porn industry actually doing anything about it. I am... and it starts with trying to unify this fractured and broken community, which I'm beginning to realize now... is not going to happen on this board.

That's fine. There are other avenues and methods to pursue. I wish I could move forward with the support of some voices here but minus those, I'll still continue with my plans.

[MrsKellyPierce]

No, Honey... you don't get it.

I have stated publicly, ON THIS BOARD, now that I identify as "transsexual". It is you and your ilk (I know that sounds bad, but for lack of a better word) who refuse to come off of your lofty thrones and bestow the title upon me... which is fine and not my point (and really, I could care less, regardless of what it sounds like). I am strong enough not to need yours or anyone else's validation for myself as a person.

Why am I still not afforded the title? Because I still "live" as a male. Big whoopie. Why should the way you live matter at all if it is "in between the ears" as Kelly postulates. Because I haven't spent thousands of dollars altering my body and instead have chosen to provide a solid and financially viable future for myself I cannot be Transsexual?

Let me ask you this question. If, tomorrow, I went out and changed my name, and started living 100% full time as a woman, are you in fact, saying that suddenly that would "make me Transsexual" and I would be welcomed with open arms by you, by Kelly, and by everyone else? I would suddenly be one of you, instead of one of them?

I would guess no. Y'all would come up with some other silly reason. Oh, you're just modifying your body... you still THINK like a man, and thus you are. Oh, you're too old... you can't be Transsexual unless you've transitioned by the time you're 23. Oh... etc. etc. etc.

Like I have already stated... I could care less about labels and what people think about me. Which is why I put it all out there... everything... my life story out there to read. I don't care. I am who I am and as I get older, I realize that I want to do something that is apart from myself and will live beyond me.

What I care about now is unifying the Transgender umbrella and fighting towards a common goal instead of this backbiting and undermining. Nothing will ever get accomplished otherwise... for all this talk Transsexuals do about wanting equality... I see few involved in the porn industry actually doing anything about it. I am... and it starts with trying to unify this fractured and broken community, which I'm beginning to realize now... is not going to happen on this board.

That's fine. There are other avenues and methods to pursue. I wish I could move forward with the support of some voices here but minus those, I'll still continue with my plans.

So wait are you a crossdresser or a transsexual??

Obviously you're transsexual, because you're seem so vehement on being called a crossdresser.

A transsexual again has nothing to do with surgeries or hormones! That's just an added bonus to transitioning.

Transitioning has nothing to do with age or any of the non-sense you are putting on us..

Inside Krissy do you feel as woman or do feel as a man?

I've been an activist since I was 16...

Again Krissy I had no idea you were a crossdresser in the first place so I don't know where your attitude and putting words in my mouth is coming from.

[GroobyKrissy]

Edited by me.

Transsexual is a state of mind.

This one statement undermines the entirety of your post.

If Transsexual is a "state of mind" (only) then it can be changed.

In fairness, I will give you a chance to revise that, or clarify. Otherwise I will continue. Ready. Set. Go.