Why so many transgender girls are struggling with mental issues these days?

[tsmirandameadows]

I think Jamie is making a good point Miranda - does being trans* automatically give you mental health issues?

a) Do trans-girls inherently have mental health issues because of transgenderism.

OR

b) Do some people with mental health illnesses become transgender?

While I don't think anything is as cut and dry as Jamie states for everyone, I think you're argument that "overwhelmingly majority of transgirls ... have mental health issues" is equally, if not more so dangerously, incorrect.

See my latest, lengthy post. And I think it's absurd to suggest such an idea is "dangerously incorrect" in a thread in which we're pretty much all in agreement that tgirls have mental health issues at greater rates than average. Hell, in your new year's open letter, you asked the very same question: why do so many tgirls suffer from mental health problems? Were you dangerously incorrect in asking such a question?

[Prospero]

I got that Steven. But she is aggressive regarding those who are weak. And while it is not necessarily, in many cases it is. I know of one girl for instance who has attempted suicide because her being trans has led to alienation from her family. Now splitting hairs might lead to someone arguing it is the family split that has caused her trauma - but at the root of that is is her gender identity.

[GroobySteven]

See my latest, lengthy post. And I think it's absurd to suggest such an idea is "dangerously incorrect" in a thread in which we're pretty much all in agreement that tgirls have mental health issues at greater rates than average. Hell, in your new year's open letter, you asked the very same question: why do so many tgirls suffer from mental health problems? Were you dangerously incorrect in asking such a question?

I'm not going to discuss you personally Miranda although I do hope you've taken advice on whether you should be sharing so much of yourself personally, with strangers. I have read your lengthy post and that's somewhat supported my argument.

The question still remains "Why do so many tgirls suffer from mental health issues?". As it was a question and not a statement, then it was neither incorrect or I believe dangerous, the question still remains and I've brought up some valid points here to try and open some discourse. You made points that the "majority of ..." and I think you're incorrect on that and non-objective. I know many many girls without issues other than what other young people may have (that aren't related to being trans), so asserting that the "majority" are, is incorrect and dangerous. There are too many - and more than the average young person - but see my previous posts on what may be the reasons.


I honestly, and with respect, don't believe given what you've stated here and on other social networks recently, that this is a good thread for you to be arguing or participating in - and I hope you can get some clarification on that from whomever you are working with, sincerely.

[GroobySteven]

I got that Steven. But she is aggressive regarding those who are weak. And while it is not necessarily, in many cases it is. I know of one girl for instance who has attempted suicide because her being trans has led to alienation from her family. Now splitting hairs might lead to someone arguing it is the family split that has caused her trauma - but at the root of that is is her gender identity.

Understood but it wasn't an attack on an individual and it was valid point regardless of it's bluntness.

That situation may not be splitting hairs. The cause (or apparent cause) may not be what is the real root but I don't think looking at individual cases, with second hand information is going to be appropriate here.

[nysprod]

While I will say this is a small sample size, trans girls I know who have had the support of family and peers seem to be well adjusted, or at least no less well adjusted than the average person functioning in society.

Others I have met who have not had that support or have been outwardly rejected are far worse off mentally and emotionally.

[tsmirandameadows]

The question still remains "Why do so many tgirls suffer from mental health issues?". As it was a question and not a statement, then it was neither incorrect or I believe dangerous, the question still remains and I've brought up some valid points here to try and open some discourse. You made points that the "majority of ..." and I think you're incorrect on that and non-objective. I know many many girls without issues other than what other young people may have (that aren't related to being trans), so asserting that the "majority" are, is incorrect and dangerous. There are too many - and more than the average young person - but see my previous posts on what may be the reasons.


I honestly, and with respect, don't believe given what you've stated here and on other social networks recently, that this is a good thread for you to be arguing or participating in - and I hope you can get some clarification on that from whomever you are working with, sincerely.

There is an implied statement in your question. The question could easily be rewritten "Many transgirls have mental health problems. Why?" with no change in meaning. Certainly my experience has been that nearly all of us have some sort of behavioral pathology. Now behavior problems do not mean you're hearing voices telling you to burn things, but the thing is, much of what we call "mental illness" is just negative social-emotional behavior. Yet, the word negative requires you to ask "negative according to whom?" The answer is often just negative according to what society considers normal and acceptable. One of the great challenges of the mental heath field is the extent to which "mental health problem" is just a stand in for "different from social norms." And let's be honest here, we're mostly talking about tgirls in porn, because that's what we all know, and if you were to ask "mainstream society" what sort of girl goes into porn, the answer would be "one with some serious 'mental health' issues".

And I don't have access to anyone to "work with". That, coupled with my near complete social isolation, means this forum is the outlet I have.

[Nikka]

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[GroobySteven]

There is an implied statement in your question. The question could easily be rewritten "Many transgirls have mental health problems. Why?" with no change in meaning. Certainly my experience has been that nearly all of us have some sort of behavioral pathology. Now behavior problems do not mean you're hearing voices telling you to burn things, but the thing is, much of what we call "mental illness" is just negative social-emotional behavior. Yet, the word negative requires you to ask "negative according to whom?" The answer is often just negative according to what society considers normal and acceptable. One of the great challenges of the mental heath field is the extent to which "mental health problem" is just a stand in for "different from social norms." And let's be honest here, we're mostly talking about tgirls in porn, because that's what we all know, and if you were to ask "mainstream society" what sort of girl goes into porn, the answer would be "one with some serious 'mental health' issues".

And I don't have access to anyone to "work with". That, coupled with my near complete social isolation, means this forum is the outlet I have.

I'm not going to get into this with you Miranda.
I think you need to look for help off this board and trying to discuss mental health issues where, given the posts you've made here and on other social networks isn't helpful to you.
I don't mean this to be cruel, dismissive or unkind - but I really don't think this place and the amount you're sharing (and the attention that it's got) can be good for you.

[Jamie French]

I've been around the block, 9 maybe 10 times in my life... met a lot of every kind of folk there is to meet. I haven't found transgendered people to be any more fucked up than your average work-a-day schmo. There just isn't any evidence for it. In fact, out of all the people I've encountered who lead sad sack lives because of faulty brain meat, maybe 2 of them have been trans-gendered. The great majority were all cis. (I've been a rock musician more than half my life... I've met some sick puppies, believe you me.)

[nysprod]

I'm not going to get into this with you Miranda.
I think you need to look for help off this board and trying to discuss mental health issues where, given the posts you've made here and on other social networks isn't helpful to you.
I don't mean this to be cruel, dismissive or unkind - but I really don't think this place and the amount you're sharing (and the attention that it's got) can be good for you.

Idk if we can say this is exactly correct...while I would suggest Miranda needs professional help to actually resolve issues, from what I've seen she's made friends and found support here which perhaps is useful to some degree.