What is this Duck Dynasty shit going on?

[Merkurie]

Redneck says something ignorant.
News at 11.

[danthepoetman]

A liberal says something intelligent, outraged Fox News all day for days!

[goatman]

This is pretty good. Watched it earlier today.

Enjoy

Yep, 'ol boy went to Louisiana Tech on a football scholarship...., played with a guy from Shreveport name of TERRY BRADSHAW...
(walked away from a chance to play for my favorite NFL team beacause it "interfered with duck season--but that's another story)...

[mrniceguy37]

lets look at the facts...based on bible Christian principles. Homosexual activity is a sin . God hates homosexuals. read it for yourself. Gays can kick and scream all they want , but god makes it clear ....no heaven for faggots. you can be queer or Christian..but not both. decide now

[Merkurie]

lets look at the facts...based on bible Christian principles. Homosexual activity is a sin . God hates homosexuals. read it for yourself. Gays can kick and scream all they want , but god makes it clear ....no heaven for faggots. you can be queer or Christian..but not both. decide now

What if you only stick the tip in?

[goatman]

lets look at the facts...based on bible Christian principles. Homosexual activity is a sin . God hates homosexuals. read it for yourself. Gays can kick and scream all they want , but god makes it clear ....no heaven for faggots. you can be queer or Christian..but not both. decide now

WHICH Bible? The New American Standard? The King James Version('cuz that's only been monkeyed with since the late 1500's), The Catholic Bible I had in Religion class when I went to Catholic school back in the '80's(you get where I'm going with this right?)
Take a look at this from a detached logical point of view:
You're talking about a collection of origin stories, laws, & moral codes/standards primarily enacted by a group of semi-nomadic Bronze Age herder-trader-agriculturalists who resided roughly in the area between the Fertile Crescent & the Mediterranean who were more likely to have been the first to patent monotheism as opposed to actually inventing it. They took those aspects of Egyptian monotheism(the sun-cult of Aton/Ahmon) & Zoroastrianism that work best for their situation(family structure/inheritance laws, etc.) & chucked what didn't(ruler worship, incest/dynastic sibling mating,same sex relations, human sacrifice & sacred prostitution--particularly of males). Coupled with this was the fact that they were frequently at odds with the emerging "great civilization/empires" of the era militarily, and nothing helped unify their disparate peoples(& keep them loyal) than utilizing a little old fashioned propaganda for it's own sake. Thus, for the good of the state, the outsiders & all their cultural ways & practices were deemed "evil" & punishable by death. [OT]

Once Christianity became the state religion of the Roman empire, the process repeated itself--only anything "too Greek", "too Roman" or "too Jewish" was castigated depending on the author. Once an all-powerful Clergy was established as the de-facto rule of Europe(after the Empire's fall), a system of laws, by-laws, cultural practices & punishments was set in place against any "pagan influences." The goal was to maintain the feudal status quo with the Church as major power player behind the scenes(see Showtime's "the Borgias".) The Crusades, the Renaissance, the Protestant Reformation & the "Discovery" of the so-called "New World" just kicked everything into high gear; everything from the Inquisition, the Conquest of the Aztecs & the Incas, the founding of Jamestown & Plymouth, the various European wars...and of course, the Slave Trade was deemed justifiable under auspices of fighting a holy war against evil. And they frequently had the Text to back it up.

[trish]

Leviticus says not to lay with a man as with a woman. Taken literally it only means that if you use missionary with the gals than use doggy with the guys. Nothing there at all about homosexuality.

[danthepoetman]

I even find you generous, Goatman, in your reading of history. It can be well argued that Yahweh was a tribal god up to at least the VIth to Vth century, maybe even to the late hellenistic period. Moreover, archeologists still find small idols of many different deities up to the end of the IIIrd century BCE. You are absolutely right in saying that the Bible as a corpus of faith is a late construct, and doesn't have anything to do with what we are today.

And oh! this:

[Genetic]

lets look at the facts...based on bible Christian principles. Homosexual activity is a sin . God hates homosexuals. read it for yourself. Gays can kick and scream all they want , but god makes it clear ....no heaven for faggots. you can be queer or Christian..but not both. decide now

Wrong wrong wrong. OTHER than in Leviticus, back this statement up with a direct quote. The Bible has 3 references to homosexuality, 1 is in Leviticus (more on that later) and the other 2 references aren't negative.

Leviticus says not to lay with a man as with a woman. Taken literally it only means that if you use missionary with the gals than use doggy with the guys. Nothing there at all about homosexuality.

Yes it does. However, the New Testament replaced the Old Testament with the Old Testament still published only as reference. The teachings of Jesus replaced those of Moses from which Leviticus was drawn (loving God instead of vengeful etc), with Jesus essentially scrapping the teachings of Christianity and starting it over. Hell it's outright stated in The Great Commandment where Jesus says there are only two commandments - love God and love thy neighbour. Great Commandment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia At no point in any edition is there an asterisk, footnote or extra part of that statement that makes it say "Love God and love thy neighbour unless they are gay, of a different race or faith".

Leviticus is still a part of the Jewish faith, but shouldn't be part of Christianity as it was erased. As a Christian you can either follow the OT or the NT, but if you follow both then you don't understand your own religion and are a cretin.

Jews follow the Old Testament which is why they don't believe in Christ.

And oh! this:

Ignoring Leviticus again, we're left with lying, arrogance, adultery, working on a Sunday and cross dressing In all honesty, the first 3 are negatives. Working on a Sunday...I've personally always seen that as being the first ever draft of employee law, where the idea is that everyone should have one day off a week. Cross dressing, well back in those days clothing was a little more limited and we can't really compare then to now but either way... a little bit of taboo pleasure can't hurt

[broncofan]

Religion plays such a significant role in so many people's lives so we are forced to interpret and re-interpret these ancient documents to sanitize them of antiquated meanings. But if an ancient text encourages you to label behavior that has no moral consequences as immoral, why shouldn't a person just ignore the proscription altogether? Instead we have to hear why Jesus really wouldn't have hated queers so much. And if the New Testament said that he would have hated gay men and women, why should that bind anyone?

Even if your religion encourages dislike of those who have done nothing wrong you have no excuse for following such commandments. It is just as hateful as discriminating under color of law, or following orders from a corrupt general.

Instead of just saying that maybe enlightenment values are better dictates of morality than religious values, there are always defenders of the faith telling us that zealots who engage in certain objectionable acts are not true Christians, Jews, or Muslims.