Men who are attracted to transgendered women- Straight, bi, gay?

[bluesoul]

No I as adding a thought to the discussion. How would men who choose to visit a girl who presents as a man, but who has "a pussy" consider their sexuality?

hey. that's a great question. believe it or not, i had a discussion with buck angel (transsexual man) and allanah starr (transsexual woman) for a british magazine years ago asking this very question to a bunch of sailors. it was part of a questionnaire.

basically- the results were as follows. if a woman wanted to sleep with a transsexual man (f2m) then it was because he wanted to fuck her vagina. he had no interest in being a bottom or getting fisted or whatever. it actually turned out that both parties wanted "straight" missionary sex.

men that were interested in transsexual women (m2f) were more interested in her penis and thus: more willing to bottom (be fucked) or suck her penis etc. these are generally not hetrosexual activities.

now- this does not men all the men who wanted to be with transsexual women were interested in bottoming, it's just the majority who choose a f2m transsexual, said they only did so because they preferred a vagina over a penis.

btw: if anyone is interested. the magazine was titled bizarre

[TS.Cessilia]

I like ts girls both with and without the cock. Femininity is paramount. And I'm whatever the opposite of a size queen is. But this is a great reply, Miranda.

What a great reply. It can be very upsetting for us, transwomen, when a guy states that our value is in our male genitalia only. We need more guys like you, RobertLouis! x

[bluesoul]

btw: to all the people who answered "who cares?" obviously a lot of people do otherwise this question wouldn't come up all the time. rather than brushing it aside, why not give a definitive answer so it's not so oblique?

i mean, the answer "you're straight with an asterix" sounds like the sort of answer you'd give on the jerry springer show. where you start off saying "am straight" then "BUT...."

[bigkid69]

I made a "date" to see a TS escort a few years ago, she advertised she was a TS, when I showed up I found out she was a post-op TS. It made no difference to me, I went to see the beautiful woman in the ad and that is who opened the door. I didn't make a date with a penis, I made it with a woman. Call me whatever you want, all I know is I had fun.

[giovanni_hotel]

I made a "date" to see a TS escort a few years ago, she advertised she was a TS, when I showed up I found out she was a post-op TS. It made no difference to me, I went to see the beautiful woman in the ad and that is who opened the door. I didn't make a date with a penis, I made it with a woman. Call me whatever you want, all I know is I had fun.

I'm curious how her ad was presented?? Did you misread it or are you always so accommodating when you've been victimized by the ol' bait-and-switch??


BTW the reason people on this board keep saying it doesn't matter how you classify yourself because of your attraction to TS women is because most heteros not familiar with TS are going to label you a faggot from jump anyway.

You aren't going to be able to 'explain' to them your sexuality or the psychology of most TS and their gender identification.

It should be enough to know you are far from the only man out here into TS and take comfort from that.

[Brassai]

Familiar question. Dan Savage has answered it several times in his sex/relationship advice column. It's a bad question to begin with just on the basis of language inadequacies. It assumes that people's sexuality can be adequately described and classified by just 3 single syllable words, each with its own attendant societal attitudes. Many good responses here, I like Miranda Meadows' wisdom as always. Straight with an asterisk. Certainly gays have no interest in M2F TS. They want M's who present as M's.
The only attempt at a descriptive phrase out there is "tranny chaser" which has never seemed quite right. Not so much the "tranny" part of the phrase which seems to be losing much of its derogatory sting over time as people slowly embrace and own it. But the "chaser" part of the phrase never quite made sense to me.

[maxpower]

btw: to all the people who answered "who cares?" obviously a lot of people do otherwise this question wouldn't come up all the time. rather than brushing it aside, why not give a definitive answer so it's not so oblique?

i mean, the answer "you're straight with an asterix" sounds like the sort of answer you'd give on the jerry springer show. where you start off saying "am straight" then "BUT...."

Probably because there really is no definitive answer.

[broncofan]

I think the reason the asterisk works is because categorical answers lose most of their descriptive ability when you try to fit many characteristics into a small number of categories. Sex and sexual orientation are co-dependent categories. If individuals can have physical and psychological features that transcend simple binary description then naturally those who are attracted to them are not going to be susceptible to description with binary categories for sexual orientation.

Biological sex itself consists of many components from genetic to phenotypic, and from genitalia to secondary sex characteristics. If someone is attracted to the female form but likes male genitalia then they are certainly not attracted to male secondary sex characteristics such as body hair, facial hair, and heavy musculature.

If, as in the example Prospero gave, someone is attracted to a female to male transsexual then they do like male secondary sex characteristics but are still attracted to female genitalia. Perhaps behavioral factors partly determine their interest.

Besides, one reason these discussions are irritating is because most of the talk involves a great deal of self-serving homophobia. The agenda for many is to label their own sexual activities as heterosexual and then demand that other people accept a categorization that does not capture the complexity of human sexuality.

[fred41]

Besides, one reason these discussions are irritating is because most of the talk involves a great deal of self-serving homophobia. The agenda for many is to label their own sexual activities as heterosexual and then demand that other people accept a categorization that does not capture the complexity of human sexuality.

Very well put.

[cockluver]

You're bi but just very picky about males. You know you'd fuck a hot little crossdressing trap. I know I would.