Men who are attracted to transgendered women- Straight, bi, gay?

[RallyCola]

let's make this simple

gay
ɡā/
adjective
adjective: gay; comparative adjective: gayer; superlative adjective: gayest
1.
(of a person, especially a man) homosexual.
"that friend of yours, is he gay?"
synonyms: homosexual, lesbian; informalqueer
"gay men and women"
relating to or used by homosexuals.
"feminist, black, and gay perspectives"
2.
lighthearted and carefree.
"Nan had a gay disposition and a very pretty face"
brightly colored; showy; brilliant.
"a gay profusion of purple and pink sweet peas"
3.
informaloffensive
foolish, stupid, or unimpressive.
"making students wait for the light is kind of a gay rule"

Does any of those definitions fit you?

[jamesedwards]

Rally what year is that dictionary that you posted on the gay def? I find it totally different from the early dictionaries which gay meant being cheerful, happy etc and had nothing to do with homosexuals. You would use the word homosexual. The word Gay was CORRUPTED into meaning homosexual. People use to use the word gay to be cheerful but now they don't use it because of it's misnomer usage attached to being a homosexual and I agree with them. I say why corrupt a word if you want a label either make up one or used the available one, like in this instance homosexual. My 2 cents, what say you? Nope that doesn't describe me

let's make this simple

gay
ɡā/
adjective
adjective: gay; comparative adjective: gayer; superlative adjective: gayest
1.
(of a person, especially a man) homosexual.
"that friend of yours, is he gay?"
synonyms: homosexual, lesbian; informalqueer
"gay men and women"
relating to or used by homosexuals.
"feminist, black, and gay perspectives"
2.
lighthearted and carefree.
"Nan had a gay disposition and a very pretty face"
brightly colored; showy; brilliant.
"a gay profusion of purple and pink sweet peas"
3.
informaloffensive
foolish, stupid, or unimpressive.
"making students wait for the light is kind of a gay rule"

Does any of those definitions fit you?

[RallyCola]

i just googled: define gay

this, like so many threads of the same topic, will never have a universal and proper answer at all...there will be those entrenched on each side of the debate and most will not flex. it is pointless. i probably should just stop replying to any thread that reduces to this question...but i can't help being a prick.

[Fyusian]

Interesting topic and really irritating to read through.

I have no idea what Eva Cassini or her friend Jamie French are going on about but it seems to be the usual nonsense from them. They are transgendered women who think they are still men and that the men who are attracted to them are gay? Good for them, actual gay people dislike transgendered women in terms of attraction but if they want to think they're really going with gay men then good for them. They're clearly confused.

We have bluesoul who thinks he's gay because of his attraction to trans-women? Good for him, maybe he really does desire men and is in the closet projecting his own fantasies onto others.

If you're attracted to transgendered women because of their femininity then you're attracted to them because they look like females. Therefore you're straight.

You enjoy anal sex? Yes, so do other straight men who go with genetic girls who use strap-ons.

You like cock but only when you see it on a woman? It's a fetish. In fact the science says so! See this video of a neuroscientist explaining straight male attraction to shemales:
This is of course different for all of us, I personally am not attracted to a cock.

But you absolutely hold no desire for a man? Then you're not gay or bisexual. Simple as.

And as others here have argued, each and everyone of us are different. Some might be pansexual, some might be bi and some might just have a fetish. It's not black and white but there's no reason why you can't be straight too and hold an attraction to a transgendered woman or even have sex with one, giving or receiving.

The people who are arguing that it's "gay" are looking at it from a black and white perspective. So what would it be then if you have sex with Buck Angel, a female to male transgendered who has a vagina? If you define gender and orientation by genitalia or the type of sex a person has then a male having sex with Buck is straight. I think anyone else would disagree though especially actual gay people, them especially since Buck is actually a gay porn star who gays are attracted to because of his masculinity. However if those attracted to transgendered women are bi or gay then those attracted to Buck Angel are actually straight or bi. Now go tell half the gay community that they are not really gay, they will laugh you out of the room.

What I've noticed in discussions like these, it is that when we're discussing a female transgendered, the argument changes, whilst female to male transgendered people are "actually men" male to female transgender can never be "actual females" despite going through the same procedures according to the logic of some people in this thread. So even in this trans-community, there is a form of transphobia and also a ignorance of gender identity.

Trans-women are women, they see themselves as women and those attracted to them see them as women. Therefore the attraction towards them is a straight attraction.

What's really annoying about topics like these though, isn't the confusion but the fact that so many people like to throw their own labels about and demand that their label and simple black and white categorization should be taken as the ultimate answer. It's not that simple. Surely a person is who he says he is? There are those who like females and trans-women (straight) and those who like trans-women, females and males (bisexual) those who like males (gay) and those who like all regardless of gender because they see beyond that (pansexual). There is no single answer, every individual is different.

The biggest tragedy comes from the few who are actually straight but then turn around and say "okay maybe I am gay or bisexual even though I don't like men" because some ignorant know-it-all decides their opinion of this complex topic is ultimately the right one.

Short answer:

Men who are attracted to transgendered women can be straight, bisexual, asexual (with a romantic attraction) or pansexual. From what I have heard from gay people including my own gay friends, gay people aren't interested in transgendered women at all because they see them as women (which they are).

The type of sex a person has does not determine their orientation. Attraction does, if I'm wrong then all those lesbians having strap-on sex aren't actually lesbians but heterosexual or bisexual females because they're enjoying penile penetration sex which some here would define as a sole heterosexual activity as apparently anal sex is a homosexual activity and straight people aren't allowed to enjoy it. Of course, this is nonsense.

I think most of the anxiety doesn't come from being judged by the "religious fundamentalists" at all but rather being labelled from the liberal "progressives" and activists who think they're helping by setting up groups to categorize people. In reality grouping distances all of us away from unity as the human race.

I don't think people who worry about this are insecure. People just don't like being labelled anymore. To me, it's not really a problem though. I understand why we do it but what annoys me about these topics are people who think there is only one answer. There's not, not everything in life always has one answer.

This might infuriate a few people but whatever, I thought that I might as well give my own take on this subject.

[Fyusian]

edit: double post, please delete

[jamesedwards]

Fyusian wrote a lot, whew.

[Prince Vlad]

I would argue this assumption:
Men who are attracted to transgendered women can be straight, bisexual, asexual (with a romantic attraction) or pansexual

it could be none of the above
straight guys go ONLY after women
bi guys go for women and men but not trannies
asexual don't like anyone, to put it short
pansexual like everyone

we should invent more identities and then name them:
1)those who like trannies
2)those who like women and trannies
3)those who like men and trannies
4)those who like men, women and trannies (oh no, in this case they have a name already, pansexual)

[THEbottom]

Does it matter ? Whatever kind of sex you like you are who and what you are ! Labels are for morons !

[Laphroaig]

we should invent more identities and then name them:
1)those who like trannies
2)those who like women and trannies
3)those who like men and trannies
4)those who like men, women and trannies (oh no, in this case they have a name already, pansexual)

A better idea would be to stop referring to them as trannies...

[Prince Vlad]

A better idea would be to stop referring to them as trannies...

I'm a newby, is it offensive?
I use both shemales and trannies with the same meaning