Cross Dressers = She ???

[MacShreach]

If they want to be identified as a woman, it's she. If they want to be identified as a man, it's he.

How hard is that?

Nonsense. If that's the case every fag in drag is a girl. Time you did some research. Crossdressers and TV's are fetishists who get their kicks by dressing up as women some of the time. They either get a sexual kick out of wearing women's clothes or they use the women's clothes to acheive a sexual end. When they're not doing this they dress as men and have normal male lives. Most of the time you wouldn't have clue what they get up to. They really are just weird men.

Transexuals are people who were born male but can't live as male so become women. They live it full time. They go to incredible lengths to achieve their end, suffer pain, opprobrium and frequently violence for the path they have chosen.

Calling CD's "she" is an insult to all the real TS's. Stop trying to be politically correct and have some principles, Crissake.

[RangeHova]

As hard as society judges us all on this board (from the Angels to thier admirers) I sometimes get amazed at how hard we pass judgement on others within our fold. Many people in mainstream society would wrap us all in the lot of 'a bunch of weird fags (the angels as well as us admirers).

In my dealings with TS women, I have run across all kinds of folks. Full the fulltime girls that look as manly as as guy, to the girl who only dresses for shows, to part times that have breast and silicone work. I've learned a lot of tolerance in my dealings with all kinds of unique people.

Simply calling a part timer, new comer, or CD 'she' does not automatically put them on the level of someone as gorgeous as Julie or any of the other HAngels. No three letter word (or 50 letter word) could do that. It's just a very simple pronoun. I don't get the big deal in refering to someone in the way they wish to be addressed by, especially something as simple as 'she' or 'her'.

To say that all CDs do it for sexual gratification is just not true. Hell, a girl could NEVER dress as a female and still be a TS. Some TS women started out as CDs, in fact I know quite a few. Being a transsexual is not about how far you have gone, how pretty you are, or how convincing you are. Just because I don't think a particular girl looks good, has gone far enough or appears too manly, it is nothing to give simple respect.

If you present yourself as a girl, even if you do a bad job of it, it's nothing for me to refer to you as the gender in which you wish to be. That is not being PC, that is just being respectful.

[Jasadin]

Tranvestites dress up exclusively for sexual gratification.


Crossdressers do it because it fulfills a need to express stuff which is usually repressed in male mode.The vast majority of xdressers are white middle aged heterosexual married men.They are happy as men and identify as being male.The time one might dress varies from a few minutes to fulltime(with a accepting wife).Some are way in the closet and others go out and interact.They might want to be called "she" but they don't believe they are in the wrong body like a TS.


Sometimes a ts mislabels herself as a crossdresser.Every girl starts somewhere different.I was gonna go into details but the previous post covers it.

[ace]

If they want to be identified as a woman, it's she. If they want to be identified as a man, it's he.

How hard is that?

Agree with you 100%!!!!

[RangeHova]

Tranvestites dress up exclusively for sexual gratification.

This isn't meant as an argument because I'm not saying that you are wrong.

But when did crossdressing and transvestism become two separate things. I have read pieces that made a separation between the two but I have read just as many (probably more) that didn't. Most pros in the field see it as two different labels for the same things.

I really think there are all kinds of degrees and variations of transgenderism, transvestism, crossdressing, transexualism, homosexuality, bisexuality, heterosexuality to even the admiration us men feel for transsexual women.

With all the labels and degrees of whatever, I really do just try to let people define themselves. I ain't walked in thier shoes so I'll be damned if I'll pass judgement. Those neat little boxes just aren't made for a lot of people.

[Tiffany Anne]

I have not worked this hard to get to where I am today for some guy to put on a dress and be grouped into the same category as me. I am a TS or transsexual. I am not a CD, TV, Drag Queen or anything else.

I hate the word transgendered. It is an umbrella term that the medical community came up with to group anyone of gender difference together. WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME.
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People were also talking about Kayla Koxx, in my opinion she is just "dressing up" to make some cash. I doubt she wants to have any kind of full change.

Ya know, I've really been content to lurk around here...just read the posts..learn more about a community I'm perhaps on the outskirts of, look at the pictures and so forth. I'm a cross-dresser, and as this is a board for "shemales", this isn't my forum...I got my own place to talk...but this..this I gotta post about.

Julie...you list your occupation as "escort". Now, if that's how you want to live your life...go for it. I hope it brings you happiness or whatever it is you're seeking. But let's strip away the flowery words here, you're a whore! And if you still have your dick, then you're no more a woman than I am. Who the hell are you to judge anybody else.

And you are the same as everyone else. A human being trying to get by in the world, who has a problem with something about themselves. Whether it be that you have a penis you don't want, a compulsion to wear a dress, have the wrong color hair, or feel you're too skinny or fat, you're just like EVERYBODY ELSE!


(for the record, I don't gender identify as female, and wouldn't want to be called "she", and would never distribute pictures of myself in girl mode as who wants to look at an ugly pseudo-girl-thing. And if I misread Julie's post, I apologize in advance, but I tend to doubt it.)

[Jasadin]

Tranvestites dress up exclusively for sexual gratification.

This isn't meant as an argument because I'm not saying that you are wrong.

But when did crossdressing and transvestism become two separate things. I have read pieces that made a separation between the two but I have read just as many (probably more) that didn't. Most pros in the field see it as two different labels for the same things.

I really think there are all kinds of degrees and variations of transgenderism, transvestism, crossdressing, transexualism, homosexuality, bisexuality, heterosexuality to even the admiration us men feel for transsexual women.

With all the labels and degrees of whatever, I really do just try to let people define themselves. I ain't walked in thier shoes so I'll be damned if I'll pass judgement. Those neat little boxes just aren't made for a lot of people.

Remember at one time all of these labels were in one box(transgenderism, transvestism, crossdressing, transexualism)under "gay".
Gay people got together and defined what it is to be gay.So did the transsexuals and crossdressers.This site is all about ts.Everyone here is interested in ts in some form.You got the same thing out there for crossdressers.A whole lifestyle and culture dedicated to crossdressers.A 6'5"guy 300lb guy with a size 12 foot can order crossdressers clothes and some heels to match.My point is they decided and created a nince for it.

[RangeHova]

[quote="Jasadin"][quote="RangeHova"]

A 6'5"guy 300lb guy with a size 12 foot...

But what if that person really is a TS? What if that person is a TS that didn't go as far as others for whatever reason? Some males that dress occasionally or ones that never dress are really TS. Granted, I sure as hell would not be interested in a post with pictures of them on it, like i said that is not my cup of tea. I'll just move on to the next post.

But just because I don't find them attractive, they don't live fulltime, pass, or look like enough like women does not mean that they are less TS.

In my time, I've meet some absolutely beautiful women that live fulltime and are extremely passable. Quite a few have proven to me not to truly be TS after you sit down and talk to them and get to know them. Some will tell you themselves.

Hey, I'm just an open kinda person. Just because I don't find you attractive, just because i don't want to fuck you doesn't mean that others won't. I'm sure plenty of guys on this board would take plenty of attractive CDs if given the chance.

Who knows, that tall 300lber with the big feet just might take those steps to become worthy of the title Hung Angel.

Also, I don't think professionals in the field of gender related issues ever labeled any type of gender issued indivuals under the gay label, maybe general society but they still do to a large extent.

[ezed]

Who cares! If you don't like them don't hit them. Leave it alone.

Generalizations suck.

Everybody attacks everybody (including me)! You know what? All of us really don't know shit, including myself.

Until you walk in someones shoes, not the label, but that particular person's shoes, you really don't know shit. But it is sometimes fun to speculate and call people retards. I know I enjoy doing this.

But is so fun to run with the published opinion of a so called expert who no one's ever met ..... and castigate others.

Hey, I've had a period of retrospection. Or let's just say I had a period, since all the spelling bee champions will be chomping at the bit to call me out on my spelling of retro whatever the fuck.

Sorry Dark Thanos, sorry Death(I know nothing about death)Fox. Ossemipi, come here you retard let me tussle your hair.

You know what? We are all blowhards! AND I LOVE IT! That's what makes this place fun.

SO LET'S HAVE AT IT YOU SPECIAL OLYMPIANS! I'M ENTERING THE JAVILIN CONTEST BECAUSE I LIKE SPEARS!

(damn, I think ezed is wigging out?) No just putting it all in prospective.

I love all you retards (me included). So now the big question.....

AM I GAY?

[NYTSJulie]

I have not worked this hard to get to where I am today for some guy to put on a dress and be grouped into the same category as me. I am a TS or transsexual. I am not a CD, TV, Drag Queen or anything else.

I hate the word transgendered. It is an umbrella term that the medical community came up with to group anyone of gender difference together. WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME.
.....

People were also talking about Kayla Koxx, in my opinion she is just "dressing up" to make some cash. I doubt she wants to have any kind of full change.

Ya know, I've really been content to lurk around here...just read the posts..learn more about a community I'm perhaps on the outskirts of, look at the pictures and so forth. I'm a cross-dresser, and as this is a board for "shemales", this isn't my forum...I got my own place to talk...but this..this I gotta post about.

Julie...you list your occupation as "escort". Now, if that's how you want to live your life...go for it. I hope it brings you happiness or whatever it is you're seeking. But let's strip away the flowery words here, you're a whore! And if you still have your dick, then you're no more a woman than I am. Who the hell are you to judge anybody else.

And you are the same as everyone else. A human being trying to get by in the world, who has a problem with something about themselves. Whether it be that you have a penis you don't want, a compulsion to wear a dress, have the wrong color hair, or feel you're too skinny or fat, you're just like EVERYBODY ELSE!


(for the record, I don't gender identify as female, and wouldn't want to be called "she", and would never distribute pictures of myself in girl mode as who wants to look at an ugly pseudo-girl-thing. And if I misread Julie's post, I apologize in advance, but I tend to doubt it.)

I am not even going to respond to this.