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08-20-2013 #1
Stand Up to "Stand Your Ground"
Stand Up to "Stand Your Ground"
The traditional presumption in the law—from the advent of the Hebrew Bible through the creation of Roman law, English common law, and American law—has been that if you could spare human life, it was incumbent upon you to do so.
With “Stand Your Ground” (aka “Shoot First”) laws, the National Rifle Association (NRA) and its partners in the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) have turned 3,000 years of jurisprudence on its head. Now you can provoke a fight, and if losing that fight, kill the person you attacked.
The NRA’s laws represent a dangerous and unprecedented escalation in the use of force in the public space, allowing individuals to kill when they merely fear “great bodily harm” (i.e., a fistfight, shoving match, etc.). The concept of responding with proportional force has been obliterated. Additionally, “Stand Your Ground” laws remove the duty to retreat from a conflict in public, allowing individuals to shoot and kill even when they could otherwise walk away safely from an altercation.
Please sign this petition calling on your state legislators to oppose “Stand Your Ground” laws.
http://csgv.org/action/stand-up-to-stand-your-ground/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...f=black-voices
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08-20-2013 #2
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Re: Stand Up to "Stand Your Ground"
People are showing their ignorance of laws by citing the Trayvon Martin case for repealing Stand Your Ground laws. The Trayvon Martin case has nothing to do with those laws.
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http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/153354467
The above is a transcript of the Judge's instructions to the jury in the Zimmerman case. Note on page ten the Judge aprises the jury of Forida's stand your ground law and how it applies to their deliberations.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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How can you retreat if somebody is on top of punching you? The case is a poor example to support repealing SYG laws (i.e., no duty to retreat). Even though Zimmerman might of been following Martin, Zimmerman wasn't doing anything illegal by possibly following Martin. And, the action of following doesn't give the right of Martin to attack Zimmerman unless Zimmerman initiates the violence first.
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Re: Stand Up to "Stand Your Ground"
You said,
The Trayvon Martin case has nothing to do with those laws.The case is a poor example to support repealing SYG laws
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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Nope, I am not retreating. Even if the duty of retreat wasn't replaced in Florida, Zimmerman would still be found not guilty under the old law. The case has nothing to do with the duty of retreating or not. You can't retreat if somebody throws a knockdown punch and jumps on top of you to continue violence against you.
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Re: Stand Up to "Stand Your Ground"
Nope, I am not retreating.
You can't retreat if somebody throws a knockdown punch and jumps on top of you to continue violence against you.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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I am sticking to my original claim. Those people want to repeal the law and replace it with the old law. They are citing the Trayvon Martin case as support to repeal the law. SYG and other self defense laws don't begin until violence or a forcible felony has began. Martin initiated the violence by punching Zimmerman. Martin didn't give the opportunity for Zimmerman to retreat by striking him and getting on top of him to continue an assault. Martin became the aggressor by his own actions. It might be messed up but it happened.
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Re: Stand Up to "Stand Your Ground"
I am sticking to my original claim.
Those people want to repeal the law and replace it with the old law. They are citing the Trayvon Martin case...
SYG ...laws don't
Last edited by trish; 08-21-2013 at 04:33 PM.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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