how comes so many fat transsexuals are "Pornstars"??

[Johnny.Blaze]

it has nothing to do with how passable one is, i agree. there are plenty of ts who are very popular but to me i am not a fan. i still recognize them as ts. because they dont just say i am a ts. or a woman (speaking on the topic of purely m2f ofcourse), they try to be. they wear makeup. dress as a woman, and throughout their day, act the same as a woman. i was simply saying their are lots of men who put on makeup and like to put their video in ts categories or post ads a ts. when they have a full beard and have done nothing to even show feminine qualities. these i consider a CD. why? because they have not made any sort of effort to even identify as a woman. even if i write now said i am a ts, and go and just put on a wig. no one is going to take that serious, you just come of as a very confused individual or someone who FANTASIZES about being the opposite sex but on paper will still always put male. thats my point...


i recieved a lot of negativity for my thoughts. its funny. i never attacked any individual. LGBT community is always under attack for 'different' views, yet so much attacking is done here lol. oh well, the pic threads make the community worth it

I do believe I understand where you're coming from. And yes I do believe also that certain topics here can ignite a hail storm of bullets. I'm sure you meant no real disrespect. My guess is many people just get upset with having the same questions asked. Even though you did say that you haven't been around the board much recently. There was a discussion about this sort of topic last week I believe when someone mentioned how he thought there weren't many "Real" black shemales. How he felt most where just guys with makeup and wigs. And that started a whole shit storm of backlash. But none the less. I don't see really anyone here posting pics of themselves with a beard or what not, and saying they are TS. I think if you do see that, then perhaps they are just confused as to what a TS really is. I do think it's wrong however for some of these board members to call you stupid or put you down. 2 wrongs don't make a right...

[GroobyKrissy]

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it has nothing to do with how passable one is, i agree. ...i still recognize them as ts. because... they try to be.

Look... don't say you "agree" when you clearly don't. The bold directly contradicts the non-bold.

This is the issue that I have with this point of view... you disguise your "judgement" behind a clever veneer of faulty and illogical thought processes out of fear (ironically, of judgement). Just say clearly that you base "TS status" on looks... it makes things much easier for everyone to understand your shallowness instead of all this BS'ing. I respect an opinion based on intellectual honesty but I have no patience with people who pretend to hold one "open-minded" view and then go on to excuse a bigoted one.

If this is, in fact, what you really believe, your premise is faulty.

So a genetically born female who doesn't ever "actively" pursue (in your words, "...[make] any sort of effort...") those things that society deems "feminine" ceases to be "female"...? She likes beer, wears pants, burps in public, never wants children, is ambitious, doesn't care about shaving, etc. = not female since she is not making any sort of effort to even identify as a woman?

Or more to the point... if you don't eat fried chicken and watermelon every day, you're not really Black?

Do you see how actually bigoted your thought process is?

You're postulating that gender identification is a matter of "making the effort"?

Who then is to say what is "effort" enough? You?
Who judges the reconciliation of one's personal picture of "female" to those of society? You?

You cannot logically state that "TS status" is not based on looks and then go about judging people based on looks... HOWEVER IRRECONCILABLE THEIR look is to YOUR OWN picture of "female" or "male". Your premise leaves no room for individuality... something that humanity is built upon.

[ktkraft]

Shortened and edited by me to highlight the point, bold also mine:



Look... don't say you "agree" when you clearly don't. The bold directly contradicts the non-bold.

This is the issue that I have with this point of view... you disguise your "judgement" behind a clever veneer of faulty and illogical thought processes out of fear (ironically, of judgement). Just say clearly that you base "TS status" on looks... it makes things much easier for everyone to understand your shallowness instead of all this BS'ing. I respect an opinion based on intellectual honesty but I have no patience with people who pretend to hold one "open-minded" view and then go on to excuse a bigoted one.

If this is, in fact, what you really believe, your premise is faulty.

So a genetically born female who doesn't ever "actively" pursue (in your words, "...[make] any sort of effort...") those things that society deems "feminine" ceases to be "female"...? She likes beer, wears pants, burps in public, never wants children, is ambitious, doesn't care about shaving, etc. = not female since she is not making any sort of effort to even identify as a woman?

Or more to the point... if you don't eat fried chicken and watermelon every day, you're not really Black?

Do you see how actually bigoted your thought process is?

You're postulating that gender identification is a matter of "making the effort"?

Who then is to say what is "effort" enough? You?
Who judges the reconciliation of one's personal picture of "female" to those of society? You?

You cannot logically state that "TS status" is not based on looks and then go about judging people based on looks... HOWEVER IRRECONCILABLE THEIR look is to YOUR OWN picture of "female" or "male". Your premise leaves no room for individuality... something that humanity is built upon.

maybe you misread. no its not on looks, but effort. it would be completely redundant for me to simply restate or reword what i said above but ill do one little statement. a genetic man who fantasizes about being a woman, will put on makeup, throw on a wig, and prance about his room. while a genetic man who believes he is a woman, will act as such all the time. maybe will still dont understand each other, or we just have different view points. your black comment did make me laugh, as it is a bit off because i mean come on now, who doesnt like fried chicken and watermelon? i bid you farewell (in my british voice)


to the pic threads i go

[trish]

no its not on looks, but effort.

Clearly, KT, you're not putting enough effort into being a man. I'm beginning to wonder if you even dress like one. Shouldn't I be able to identify you as a male, before you count as one? Post a picture please, so we can judge.

On the other hand, we could just agree you're a man regardless of how you look or how much effort you put into being male or whether or not I can identify your gender. It's is first a matter of self-identification. All the rest comes later.

[ktkraft]

Clearly, KT, you're not putting enough effort into being a man. I'm beginning to wonder if you even dress like one. Shouldn't I be able to identify you as a male, before you count as one? Post a picture please, so we can judge.

On the other hand, we could just agree you're a man regardless of how you look or how much effort you put into being male or whether or not I can identify your gender. It's is first a matter of self-identification. All the rest comes later.

Alright :thumbsup:

[tsmounting]

Thanks, I am dealing with it. Simply saying if you are going to get upset instead of having fun or engaging then move on and don't piss and moan when you can just ignore.

[Quiet Reflections]

it has nothing to do with how passable one is, i agree. there are plenty of ts who are very popular but to me i am not a fan. i still recognize them as ts. because they dont just say i am a ts. or a woman (speaking on the topic of purely m2f ofcourse), they try to be. they wear makeup. dress as a woman, and throughout their day, act the same as a woman. i was simply saying their are lots of men who put on makeup and like to put their video in ts categories or post ads a ts. when they have a full beard and have done nothing to even show feminine qualities. these i consider a CD. why? because they have not made any sort of effort to even identify as a woman. even if i write now said i am a ts, and go and just put on a wig. no one is going to take that serious, you just come of as a very confused individual or someone who FANTASIZES about being the opposite sex but on paper will still always put male. thats my point...


i recieved a lot of negativity for my thoughts. its funny. i never attacked any individual. LGBT community is always under attack for 'different' views, yet so much attacking is done here lol. oh well, the pic threads make the community worth it

so if a Mtf decides to transition but feels as though she is a butch lesbian and not really feminine or into feminine thing would you still consider her a Ts woman or would you think she is just a man fantasizing about being a woman? I ask because there are a good amount of butch trans lesbians that don't do the whole make up and dress thing but are still women regardless of their lack of effort to be more stereotypically female..

[EvaCassini]

Gender is Identity. My gender is Female, I identify as Female, thus I look and act female. It's a brain thing.

Being "butch" ( Gimmie' a damn beer! ) or "girly" ( I would like a Fruiti-booty Martini ) is a preference of how "female" said MtF prefers to look and act....

There are variations:
Girly Female ( Teehehe )
Butch Female ( Belch!!! )
Girly Butch Female ( Beer please...Belch...teehee )
Butchy Girl Female ( Bourbon NOW...then I want a Fuzzy Pink Peach Cock Knobbler )
Girly Butchy Tomboy Girly Butchy Girly Girly Female ( Teehee, she said cock! Where's my beer-coolatta and Tequila shot? OMG I'm so drunk, I want some pussy NOW! Belch, excuse me...teehee...hehehe )

[iagodelgado]

^^^^ Like + 1.

[EvaCassini]

thanks, wonder who didnt LOL