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[tsdvdman]

Yes. Really. Most people who transition don't do it to become models, escorts or porn stars; neither do most pay for their transitions by doing any of those things. It's time to ask yourself what world you're living in and why all of your relationships in the past twenty years have left you feeling badly about transsexuals in general.

Trish, as much as I usually respect your input and opinions I think you are dead wrong on this. I'm actually shocked that you would take such a hard narrow view

[trish]

It's a narrow view that most people who transition are not models, escorts or porn stars?! I would've thought the opposite view was the narrow one. It would be narrow if I were implying that modeling, escorting or being a porn star was a bad thing. I'm not. I was once an escort myself and have no regrets.

I think maybe your getting too much of your perspective from sexually oriented sources. Most transsexuals are trying to pass in society as women; i.e. they don’t advertise their transsexuality. Moreover transsexuals are still mocked by society in general and they prefer to avoid being identified as transsexual. On the other hand girls who are making a living from their transsexuality are going to advertise in the appropriate venues. If a guy only looks for transsexual women in venues where they are exploiting their sexuality to lure clients, then of course you’re going to get a rather warped and silly view of transexuals, who they are and what they’re about.

[Foggy]

why do you think they transition to become that? perhaps they've always been bitchy, self centered vacuous men before

C'mon...how many bar trannies do you want to spend more than an hour with?

[trish]

Aw c'mon, don't be so bitchy.

[tsdvdman]

It's a narrow view that most people who transition are not models, escorts or porn stars?! I would've thought the opposite view was the narrow one. It would be narrow if I were implying that modeling, escorting or being a porn star was a bad thing. I'm not. I was once an escort myself and have no regrets.

I think maybe your getting too much of your perspective from sexually oriented sources. Most transsexuals are trying to pass in society as women; i.e. they don’t advertise their transsexuality. Moreover transsexuals are still mocked by society in general and they prefer to avoid being identified as transsexual. On the other hand girls who are making a living from their transsexuality are going to advertise in the appropriate venues. If a guy only looks for transsexual women in venues where they are exploiting their sexuality to lure clients, then of course you’re going to get a rather warped and silly view of transexuals, who they are and what they’re about.

I only get a small aspect of my perspective from sexually oriented sources as it is only a small portion of my everyday life,,,especially the ts scene. However..it does feel as though you feel obligated to defend and even ignore the fact that many of the girls who escort and live that "hustlers" lifestyle are thieves and will steal in a New York minute..lol
I understand your personal view from YOUR experiences may be different because you seem to have intellectual stimulation and goals outside of this cocoon...but you are the few and far between.
Also...I'm not sure if you are trying to compliment your peers or not..but denying ones transexuality by trying to avoid being identified as such would in fact proclaim being ashamed of what and who you really are. I thought it was FUCK what society in general thinks..I am who I am..etc..etc. But if (according to you) they are going through life hiding and trying to avoid being seen as a transexual..that may in fact be the ultimate motive for a lot of girls who would run into a decent situation with a guy trying to help them or just look out for them...yet they have no idea how to embrace or appreciate it so they just rob steal and use up thier welcome mat until it's over. It makes sense according to you theory Trish.

[trish]

many of the girls who escort and live that "hustlers" lifestyle are thieves and will steal in a New York minute..lol

Have you comprehended my posts? I'm arguing for the integrity of transgender girls in general, not escorts. If you're claiming most escorts are thieves I may or may not agree with you, but that still doesn't warrant the attempt of some here to generalize that claim to transsexuals in general, or to imply transsexual escorts are less trustworthy than escorts in general.

I'm not sure if you are trying to compliment your peers or not..but denying ones transexuality by trying to avoid being identified as such would in fact proclaim being ashamed of what and who you really are.

Do you know what "passing" means? We're women, and wish to be recognized as such without question or controversy. We endeavor to pass.

[sukumvit boy]

"I can see two tiny pictures of myself
And there's one in each of your eyes.
And they're doin' everything I do.
Every time I light a cigarette, they light up theirs.
I take a drink and I look in and they're drinkin' too.
It's drivin' me crazy.
It's drivin' me nuts"

___Sharkey's Night (Laurie Anderson).

Yeah , Trish!
William S Burroughs readings and Laurie Andersons' music...what a great collaboration that was!

"Sun's going down ,like a big bald head
Behind the boulevard
It's Sharkey's Night.
Yes
It's Sharkey's Night tonight!"

[bluesoul]

C'mon...how many bar trannies do you want to spend more than an hour with?

i don't understand the question

[tsdvdman]

Have you comprehended my posts? I'm arguing for the integrity of transgender girls in general, not escorts. If you're claiming most escorts are thieves I may or may not agree with you, but that still doesn't warrant the attempt of some here to generalize that claim to transsexuals in general, or to imply transsexual escorts are less trustworthy than escorts in general.

Do you know what "passing" means? We're women, and wish to be recognized as such without question or controversy. We endeavor to pass.

Come on Trish..that on it's face value sounds more like rhetoric that realism.
Just because one reaches a point to be considered "passing" still shouldn't transcend the facts that they are Transexual and should be proud of it. The very premise of being happy starts with embracing what and who you are.

[trish]

Nice try but the issue is that you and your friends in this thread are making the claim that in general most transsexuals...

...are thieves and will steal in a New York minute...

. You can criticize the political courage of the majority of transsexuals for remaining invisible, or for simply deciding to pass instead of proudly lifting their skirts and declaring to the world that they're transsexuals, but

1) that doesn't advance your claim that they're thieves one iota;

2) it puts you in the position of conceding my point that you have little or no knowledge of transsexuals outside the sex industry.