LGBT lost in TRANSlation?

[Quiet Reflections]

but how could the fact that a person wants to be the opposite sex as they are born not be as matter of orientation.

Because it doesn't matter if you are mtf or ftm the transition process has no bearing on what sex you are attracted to. Sexual orientation is something you are born with and has nothing to do with the horrible medical condition of being trapped in the wrong body.

[Ms.Stepford]

LGBT is a community that has some political clout. If they're feeling inclusive enough to include you, my advise is: don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Common human decency should never be a gift.

More often than not it's actually cis hetero people who are our best allies, anyway.

[sensuelle]

Common human decency should never be a gift.

More often than not it's actually cis hetero people who are our best allies, anyway.

I have to agree the most nasties comments and hostile behevior that i have encounterd has not come from hetero males but from gay males.And while some in the lgbt organisations do care for our rights most of them see us as freaks that harm their "cause".

[nysprod]

Common human decency should never be a gift.

More often than not it's actually cis hetero people who are our best allies, anyway.

I have to agree the most nasties comments and hostile behevior that i have encounterd has not come from hetero males but from gay males.And while some in the lgbt organisations do care for our rights most of them see us as freaks that harm their "cause".

There always are lovers and haters...various Pride days around NYC included transgenders within the celebrations, and I'm sure there's no need to mention that many transgender murders are committed by hetero males.

[GroobyKrissy]

Common human decency should never be a gift.

More often than not it's actually cis hetero people who are our best allies, anyway.

This is a serious question and not meant as snark, although it will sound that way.

So... do you think this may have something to do with the fact that the TG (included here for "popular" understanding of equal terms with "TS") /TS community (generally) has a rampant hatred of and towards the CD/TV community, demonstrating the very (and actual) bigotry that they condemn in others? The hypocrisy is stunning and makes a mockery of their argument for equal treatment.

[sensuelle]

There always are lovers and haters...various Pride days around NYC included transgenders within the celebrations, and I'm sure there's no need to mention that many transgender murders are committed by hetero males.

No of course not not all gay man are like that i am just saying for a group that always complains about discrimation and stuff you would expect a little more understanding and respect.BTW where i am from i never heard of a murder of ts out of hate(there was one a couple of years before but that was about a relationship she was in)so i was just refering about how it was over here.

[runningdownthatdream]

This is a serious question and not meant as snark, although it will sound that way.

So... do you think this may have something to do with the fact that the TG (included here for "popular" understanding of equal terms with "TS") /TS community (generally) has a rampant hatred of and towards the CD/TV community, demonstrating the very (and actual) bigotry that they condemn in others? The hypocrisy is stunning and makes a mockery of their argument for equal treatment.

Hey what are you doing?!?!?! you're asking people to confront, possibly acknowledge, and maybe even explain their own bigoted behaviour - how dare you!

[sensuelle]

This is a serious question and not meant as snark, although it will sound that way.

So... do you think this may have something to do with the fact that the TG (included here for "popular" understanding of equal terms with "TS") /TS community (generally) has a rampant hatred of and towards the CD/TV community, demonstrating the very (and actual) bigotry that they condemn in others? The hypocrisy is stunning and makes a mockery of their argument for equal treatment.

I would say that the problem is more that people get grouped into groups where they dont belong.gay/lesbians/bi is about who you are atracted to completly different from someone that is a ts who is born in the wrong body which is about their own gender and then a tv/cd is again something completly different from both of the former because it is more of a fetish.

[GroobyKrissy]

I would say that the problem is more that people get grouped into groups where they dont belong.gay/lesbians/bi is about who you are atracted to completly different from someone that is a ts who is born in the wrong body which is about their own gender and then a tv/cd is again something completly different from both of the former because it is more of a fetish.

You are incorrect, and here is why.

You are making a distinction between "TS" and "Lesbian, Gay, and Bi". The distinction you see is that LGB is a sexual orientation ONLY. This is a misunderstanding of the terms... it is a VERY fine point, but one that is worth understanding completely because it ultimately strengthens your argument if you understand it, and use it to argue for HUMANITY... not behavior.

Try this. Go up to a person (somewhat educated) who identifies as LGB (and truly is). Tell that person that they are LGB simply because of a sexual orientation, that is, preference (orientation denotes it can be changed - and is therefore ultimately, a preference). There is a GUT reaction that this is incorrect, and most in the community, while maybe not being able to voice it correctly, realize this.

You must realize WHY these terms (LGB) exist. They don't exist for the benefit of those who are (LGB). They exist for the benefit for the people who ARE NOT... because they are labels... FOR PEOPLE... to describe BEHAVIOR. That is what should be at the crux of every argument for equality. Labels are meaningless unless you do, in fact, have some sort of bigotry. What you are arguing against (opposed to LGBT) is BEHAVIOR not humanity. The counter argument should be, "Who cares about behavior (this changes if it is a moral argument - i.e. - religious)? All PEOPLE should be treated equally. Period."

This feeling, promoted by most TS, that LGB is a behavior while TS is a "person" is exactly why the LGB community dislikes the "T". It is a "moral superiority" argument that is self-destructive to pursue.

I have read (literally) thousands of threads, posts, and comments since joining Fetlife (arguably the largest gathering of "academic" TS - and supposedly "most open") about this topic and although there are "pockets" of reason, mostly what you see is bigotry expressed by the TS community... to ANYONE who is not part of it... gay, straight, CD/TV, etc. etc.

[Ms.Stepford]

I suppose if you are looking for it, you can find it.

In answer to your original question, no. I don't think that there's any correlation there, for this reason: none of the LGB give a shit about CD/TS relations enough to recognize that "hypocrisy."