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07-26-2013 #151
Re: LGBT lost in TRANSlation?
You are taking something I said to Fivekatz out of context;
Originally Posted by fivekatz
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07-26-2013 #152
Re: LGBT lost in TRANSlation?
Remy... BE INTELLECTUALLY HONEST, PLEASE!
Do you REALLY not understand what "tacit agreement" is, even though I have explained it? I will try ONE MORE TIME. If you're are not willing to understand this point, this conversation is pointless until you actually state plainly what you do and do not believe regarding the original post (mine) because PLAINLY, I do not know the points you are making at this point.
TACIT AGREEMENT - This occurs when multiple people are having a debate about a given subject. Instead of every single person restating arguments that have already been made, you can be said to "tacitly" (without commenting) agree with them if: A. you defend their points. AND THEN B. you do not state disagreement otherwise. The logical inference is that you agree with all subsequent comments they make UNLESS YOU STATE OTHERWISE.
This is not something I have made up, this is an actual point of debate and of law, whereby you can actually convict someone. I dislike just pointing people to a wiki page because I think that is lame... but if that suits you, look the term up.
What is "utter foolishness" is you trying to comment on a term you don't understand. You MUST have "DEFENDED" someone's point, AND THEN NOT DISAGREE with a subsequent point to be accused of tacit agreement as I have stated. People that you have not had direct discourse with or have not defended have no bearing on the term.
Does that make sense?
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07-26-2013 #153
Re: LGBT lost in TRANSlation?
Again, you trying to force me to take one side or another, I have my own stance. A transsexual is a person that feels they are born the wrong gender from which they are assigned at birth. That clear enough for you. There is no need for the word 'transition' anywhere in that definition.
I don't feel that CD/TV struggle is the same struggle as TS.
I don't feel that CD/TV should be lumped together in the same group.
I do feel that LGBT organization help the cause of transgender people, though I do think it is not to the same degree as L/G causes, but something is better than nothing.
I do feel all groups of people deserve empathy including CD/TV, well except hate groups, and people that hurt/poach animals, especially those on the endangered list.
Anything else you are still unclear about? I do cry your pardon on any issues/stances that have come across as confusing/conflicting. I'm not going to say I hate/dislike somebody on this board just to make you happy, you are not my puppet master.
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07-26-2013 #154
Re: LGBT lost in TRANSlation?
I have not said I agree or I defend anything that Bella has said. Where do you see me defending Bella? Where do you see me having a Direct Discourse with Bella? Don't label yourself CD/TV on Fetlife and I wont think you CD/TV. Don't mention you choose not to transition and I wont ask you why you choose not to transition. These are all things you are saying, not Bella. I'm not making up the fact that you label yourself CD/TV on Fetlife am I?
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07-26-2013 #155
Re: LGBT lost in TRANSlation?
"What...[I] feel..." ???
Are you joking? How can you expect to have a reasonable conversation with anyone if there are not "rules" about stating your point of view? Why do you think the "edit" function here is limited to 10 minutes? Because most people realize it is unfair in a debate about anything, especially in writing, to be able to go back and change what you have said. That is why courts have record keepers. That is why police record interrogations. ETC. ETC> Reasonable people expect that if you write something... you mean it. If you write it poorly... you take responsibility for it.
How in God's green earth am I asking anything unreasonable by simply asking that you be:
A. Intellectually honest
B. State plainly what you believe
C. Take responsibility for what you write, including the logical conclusions
THAT IS CALLED HAVING DISCOURSE. If everyone just plays by their own set of rules (i.e. - I can say whatever I want, I don't have to answer your questions, I can change whatever I write to suit my current needs, etc. etc.) you cannot have a meaningful dialogue.
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07-26-2013 #156
Re: LGBT lost in TRANSlation?
Answer this plainly.
Do you understand what tacit agreement is? Yes or No. If the answer is yes, please restate it so I know that you understand it.
Then, I will answer you by going through this entire thread and picking out every instance where you have agreed with something that Bella has stated, by defending it. Actually, no, I will pick out the first. THEN, YOU SHOW ME WHERE YOU HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY DISAGREED WITH HER. That is fair.
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07-26-2013 #157
Re: LGBT lost in TRANSlation?
GOOD GRIEF. I kinda had hope for you. I kinda thought you may be someone who is reasonable.
Like I said, when in discussions like this, this is what it always comes down to. "You're CD so shut up." Nice.
Do you NOT understand the concept of marketing? Social Media Profiles, Websites, Google + pages... it is MARKETING. I market my site TO THOSE who are my largest audience. I know this is my largest audience because I have done the research.
If my largest audience was "Guys who love using peanut butter as hair gel" guess what all my profiles would say... "I love using peanut butter as hair gel." Is this concept of marketing yourself really that difficult to grasp?
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07-26-2013 #158
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Re: LGBT lost in TRANSlation?
Even accounting for the context, by saying that transsexuals transition, you are saying this is a necessary, indispensable property of being transsexual. You may not have meant that, but that's what the clause, "transsexuals transition from one sex to another" means.
You also said, "we transwomen are dealing with all the factors of living the life of a woman 24/7". This strongly implies that living life as a woman 24/7 is required to be a transwoman. But now you say that you never said transitioning was required.
I can quote a bunch of times when you would say something fairly extreme and then contradict it. How about these statements?
"If he said he felt like he was born in the wrong body and felt he needed to transition than I would consider him transsexual"
Then when I pointed out you were agreeing with me.
"Well let's be clear on this, TV and CD do not ever ALWAYS identify as female"
You also assured me of two things. You were not using the word identify in the second statement to mean "present oneself as" or "dress as", and you were not using a circular definition of tv and cd that precluded transsexuality.
The only explanation for these posts is that you were agreeing with Bella but only for convenience. When Krissy returned, so did your conscience, if not your honesty. C'est la vie.
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07-26-2013 #159
Re: LGBT lost in TRANSlation?
So, do you agree or disagree that when someone writes:
"I don't want to be a jerk but... your face looks like pizza."
...they are actually making a very nice, cordial statement about a person's beauty? I think most reasonable people see it as, "being a jerk".
Do you REALLY not see that you did just that?
If I said,
Remy... I don't want to be a jerk but... your photography skills are absolute garbage (and no, I don't actually believe this just to be clear).
You wouldn't take that as a "personal" attack? Really? Intellectual honesty?
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07-26-2013 #160
Re: LGBT lost in TRANSlation?
THIS is your definition of "transition" within the context of this discussion? Let me tell you... MOST "academic" TS would slaughter that definition as too broad. Even I, who have a pretty lenient definition (i.e. - you don't have to) would say that is so generic as to be unusable in any real context.
By this stated definition, as long as one HAS EVEN THOUGHT about it (transitioning), that is, put forth a plan in his/her mind, they are "transitioning" because they have started that process of "moving," "changing from one state of being to another". That is to say, all actions begin with a thought.
Do you see what I mean by YOU MUST THINK THINGS THROUGH... and take RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT YOU WRITE? I'll give you a mulligan on this one to restate it... unless this is truly what you actually believe... in which case, fair enough and that is the definition of "transition" that I will refer to when speaking with you.
But trust me, if that is your definition, you have really no ability to speak on other person's "transitional" status AT ALL.
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