LGBT lost in TRANSlation?

[BellaBellucci]

Funny that some who have gone further with their transition than a TV/CD, take issue with TV/CD.

We went farther because we HAD to. Those who don't... didn't. It's just dress-up. I don't understand the cognitive dissonance here. This is simple logic. Either you do it or you don't.

By the way, I identify as a Martian, but since there's no surgery to make it so, I guess you should respect my identity anyway. Of course, the problem with transsexuality is that there IS treatment, and again, it's NOT a choice.

If you guys really don't know the difference between a TS and a TV, or you can't see the difference, then you're probably a closeted gay. That's why I don't date guys who date TV/CD people.

~BB~

[broncofan]

Well then, I guess I should have not bothered to actually transition since it's clear I didn't have to. I said I'm female and that's enough, right? 'I'm going to cut my hair and begin a lucrative career in auto mechanics, and maybe hit the gym. I'm going to be so pretty. Tee hee.'

I think you're on the wrong thread. You may be looking for the 'amateur sissy stuff.'

~BB~

I thought we were having a civil conversation here Bella.

You're saying that identity must be proven by actions. I'm saying everyone in due course..and that actions are only used as a proxy to help identify thoughts and feelings because the latter are not directly observable.

[BellaBellucci]

I thought we were having a civil conversation here Bella.

We are. But I'm frustrated with the guys who intentionally lump CD/TV/TS together because, in reality, they don't need to see the difference. All they want is cock from someone who isn't identifying as a man in the exact moment of contact. Nobody cares who people are beyond that because they're having their fantasy fulfilled and that's good enough for them.

You're saying that identity must be proven by actions. I'm saying everyone in due course..and that actions are only used as a proxy to help identify thoughts and feelings because the latter are not directly observable.

Exactly. A transsexual transitions because she doesn't want to be viewed as a man. We can't take it off at the end of the night and return to a world of male privilege. A TV/CD person wants that male privilege AS WELL AS treatment as a female when they are 'en femme' (yuck!). It's a double-standard and it forces others to change their behaviors, when in reality, if a person really is trans, they'll change their own.

~BB~

[Remy757Photog]

I disagree with the premise that the struggles and rights for all individuals are not the same. Saying otherwise implies bigotry where there should be none... It implies that you are against a person because of BEHAVIOR, and that should exclude them from the "struggle". This line of reasoning is the exact same line of reasoning that opponents to the LGBT community use, and that is the hypocrisy that exists.

We shall have to agree to disagree. I don't feel a CD has the same struggle as a transwoman, because when a CD goes for a job they can choose to go as a guy and only dress up and play as CD when it suits them. Transwomen are the way we are 24/7 365, we are not going to be content to only "dress" as women when it is convenient, we are living our lives and taking humungous steps to rectify our gender issues that can leave us ridiculed by both society, friends, and family. Someone who is CD doesn't necessarily have to encounter any of those things and still live a perfectly happy life. CD don't have to take meds and have surgeries to align their physical gender. Sure, CD may have some general similarities when it comes to all groups of civil rights issues, but the transwoman/transman struggle is unique in so many ways that can not be compared to any other group of people.

One CD guy I know is in the Navy, he and is wife are perfectly happy and normal looking folk that go about day to day life fine and dandy. When a local Fet event happens, she dolls him all up and he plays the CD to his heart content in the safety of a welcoming Fet environment. The next day he showers and goes right back to his happy normal guy life until he either plays at home with wife or they do another Fet event. Hardly the struggle any transwoman has had to deal with. Transwomen can't even serve in the military!! lol

[broncofan]

But I haven't stated my preference at all. If you think I'm not making a distinction I assure you it has nothing to do with my libido.

Don't transsexuals make their transitions at different points in their life? Indeed someone who has decided to transition may be fighting patriarchy, transphobia, and many other prejudices and in return they are getting to express their gender identity. Others who have not may have decided that they are not ready to for a number of personal reasons.

I think you're using too much of a behavioral model. You are saying people only have preferences (or an identification) if they act on it.

[Remy757Photog]

Yeah. I'll admit I am prejudice against drag queens. I don't know why, but I think they're loud, annoying, obnoxious, and not even funny. I don't get the concept of dressing up like a clown and making a mockery of an entire community. They smear their lipstick, they cake their face. It looks ridiculous, and stupid. It could be because I don't drink. Maybe you have to be shit faced to get the humor (if there is any). Personally, I find their humor quite offensive.

As far as CD's go. I'll never understand the fetish of dressing up. I wear panties everyday and don't get a hard on.

Well, drag queens, the looks, performances, personalities, are a unique bunch and while it may not be my cup of tea personally I can appreciate what they do (drag performances) to a certain extent. Now, do I want to sit for hours and watch, no, but I understand that they do put work into it and is basically what makes them happy so to each their own. Some people may not get that I like to play vid games and drink as my personal idea of fun either. However; on the same token, I don't want to be called a drag queen, because some random person doesn't understand the difference between trans and drag queens though they can sometimes be interchangeable. I came up with the older girls (when I started my transition) that are transsexuals but did the exaggerated make up (not the lipstick smearing mind you) and drag performance, it didn't make them any less transsexual that while on stage they pretty much looked like the typical drag queen. Just their way of passing time and getting their life for a few hours.

[BellaBellucci]

We shall have to agree to disagree. I don't feel a CD has the same struggle as a transwoman, because when a CD goes for a job they can choose to go as a guy and only dress up and play as CD when it suits them.

A friend had this problem. She'd been transitioned everywhere but work, but got laid off. When she went looking for jobs, not one of her female resumes got a response, but in desperation, she sent one out in her male name and not only got the interview, but the job. She has since transitioned on that job.

I myself, despite having been a small business owner for 7 years and currently earning a 3.8 GPA in a business program, have had very little luck finding corporate employment. I hope nobody thinks that sexism doesn't still exist, because believe you me, it does. The other thing working against me? I'm a mom. Oh no! Sacrilege! There's no WAY I could EVER be committed to my job!

Patriarchal bastards. Oh, and fuck Tom Leykis with a big, fat transvestite cock.

~BB~

[sensuelle]

But I haven't stated my preference at all. If you think I'm not making a distinction I assure you it has nothing to do with my libido.

Don't transsexuals make their transitions at different points in their life? Indeed someone who has decided to transition may be fighting patriarchy, transphobia, and many other prejudices and in return they are getting to express their gender identity. Others who have not may have decided that they are not ready to for a number of personal reasons.

I think you're using too much of a behavioral model. You are saying people only have preferences (or an identification) if they act on it.

Yes you right that transsexsual are at different stage of transition in their life but there is one big difference between a ts and a tv/cd, a ts feels that she is a woman and a tv doesnt it is just a guy that likes/gets excited or get payed to dress up i dont know why it is so hard for some here to understand that!

[BellaBellucci]

Don't transsexuals make their transitions at different points in their life? Indeed someone who has decided to transition may be fighting patriarchy, transphobia, and many other prejudices and in return they are getting to express their gender identity.

That's hysterical! Please, oh please, tell me another one! I'm cracking up over here!

Probably 95% of girls who transition (and perhaps 99% of porn stars) are the worst misogynists the world has ever known. They literally see becoming female as the ultimate expression of submission, not gender identity!

~BB~

[broncofan]

Yes you right that transsexsual are at different stage of transition in their life but there is one big difference between a ts and a tv/cd, a ts feels that she is a woman and a tv doesnt it is just a guy that likes/gets excited or get payed to dress up i dont know why it is so hard for some here to understand that!

As you said, a ts feels that she is a woman, and someone who is not ts does not. That's exactly the definition I used. It's just a matter of whether you can determine what someone feels simply based on life choices when you don't know in each case what the countervailing factors are that inform a decision.