LGBT lost in TRANSlation?

[Remy757Photog]

And you qualify to judge me as "TS" or not... because? Because I have CHOSEN (I actually have the financial capability to do so) NOT to actually transition at this point in life?

First, I want to say that I am not trying to be rude or in any way mean. I actually thought you identified as CD, based on previous statements I saw a couple years ago. I even thought your site was marketed as CD, though I admit I haven't actually gone and looked at it in a very long time. If I may ask, and again, this is in no way to support whatever Bella is getting at, I just would like to know where you stand on the matter. Why do you choose to not transition?

[broncofan]

That's hysterical! Please, oh please, tell me another one! I'm cracking up over here!

Probably 95% of girls who transition (and perhaps 99% of porn stars) are the worst misogynists the world has ever known. They literally see becoming female as the ultimate expression of submission, not gender identity!

~BB~

When I say fighting patriarchy I mean they are facing adverse consequences of living in a patriarchal society by presenting themselves as female. I'm not saying they are activists or crusaders literally trying to break down barriers.

[BellaBellucci]

When I say fighting patriarchy I mean they are facing adverse consequences of living in a patriarchal society by presenting themselves as female.

No, they're not. They're facing the adverse consequences of looking and acting ridiculous in an image-based society. And when they're done, they're can take it off. Are you trolling or obtuse?

~BB~

[broncofan]

No, they're not. They're facing the adverse consequences of looking and acting ridiculous in an image-based society. And when they're done, they're can take it off. Are you trolling or being intentionally obtuse?

~BB~

I was talking about ts'. It's exactly the point you were making. You don't believe me.

"Exactly. A transsexual transitions because she doesn't want to be viewed as a man. We can't take it off at the end of the night and return to a world of male privilege."

My point was that by transitioning, transsexuals are fighting forces of patriarchy. Is that not what you were saying by saying that you give up being able to enjoy male privilege? That it's a sacrifice you made.

The funny thing is that you chose a point of agreement to then isolate and argue with. Why try to achieve with attitude and mockery what you're unable to with logic?

[BellaBellucci]

The funny thing is that you chose a point of agreement to then isolate and argue with. Why try to achieve with attitude and mockery what you're unable to with logic?

Sorry. I thought you were referring to TV/CD people for some reason. You seem to be defending them. They require no defense. They are what they are, and that's fine. To be honest, I have plenty of CD friends... but they're still not women. #brainburp

~BB~

[Remy757Photog]

Funny that some who have gone further with their transition than a TV/CD, take issue with TV/CD. I thought there would be more empathy for people who are looked down on because of how the view themselves and express themselves in identity or sexuality.

That one statement shows an inherent flaw, transsexuals transition from one sex to another, TV/CD do not. TV/CD do not identify as the opposite gender, they dress up for their own determined time and then go back to being Bill, John, Jack. Again, I do feel that everyone deserves empathy, but it's funny listening to a guy dressing in drag one night a month to complain about buying stockings for his monthly outing into the world dressed up. When we transwomen are dealing with All the factors of living the life of a woman 24/7. The guy is like "oh I told the cashier I was buying stockings for my wife" I'm like "dude, is that what you are all excited over sorry I don't relate."

[BellaBellucci]

That one statement shows an inherent flaw, transsexuals transition from one sex to another, TV/CD do not. TV/CD do not identify as the opposite gender, they dress up for their own determined time and then go back to being Bill, John, Jack. Again, I do feel that everyone deserves empathy, but it's funny listening to a guy dressing in drag one night a month to complain about buying stockings for his monthly outing into the world dressed up. When we transwomen are dealing with All the factors of living the life of a woman 24/7. The guy is like "oh I told the cashier I was buying stockings for my wife" I'm like "dude, is that what you are all excited over sorry I don't relate."

+1000.

~BB~

[broncofan]

I don't want to be victim to a slalom of signing and co-signing. It's clear we disagree, but it should be somewhat clear what we're disagreeing over. You and Remy seem to believe that one cannot identify unless their actions make clear to the outside world what that identity is. The corollary of this would be that someone doesn't have a belief unless they are willing to reflect that belief in action. It's something B.F Skinner would agree with to be sure.

The examples with TV's and CD's aren't nearly as helpful as they first appear because you are discussing behaviors that may be particular only to the individuals you are discussing. You also appear to be defining cd and tv in ways that make the rest of the argument circular. For instance, if a cd or tv is defined as someone who doesn't identify as female, then you've decided in your own favor by choosing a definition mutually exclusive with transsexual. If they are only individuals who do not dress as female full time then you don't have hermetically sealed categories.

Anyhow, no offense intended.

[BellaBellucci]

You also appear to be defining cd and tv in ways that make the rest of the argument circular.

Wrong. The circular argument comes from them. They may identify as men when they're not 'dressed' (again, eww), but when they are, many identify as female and demand to be treated accordingly as if their master identity was female. Invariably it's not. It's all a fantasy. Clothes don't make the woman, not even temporarily, and I don't want to be forced to cater to someone else's fetish.

~BB~

[robertlouis]

Wrong. The circular argument comes from them. They may identify as men when they're not 'dressed' (again, eww), but when they are, many identify as female and demand to be treated accordingly as if their master identity was female. Invariably it's not. It's all a fantasy. Clothes don't make the woman, not even temporarily, and I don't want to be forced to cater to someone else's fetish.

~BB~

I agree with you absolutely as regards the difference, Bella, but I don't understand the hostility.