way to go racists

[amberskyi]

If you can't take the drama, if you can't stand up for stuff and if you take offence at one or two idiots, then you probably shouldn't participate in an online forum.

I like Amber - but she can give as good as can take, both on intellectual topics as well as snipes and bites.

thats bullshit...i have seen comments removed several times due to anti-semitic comments.i even remember Libby posting a photo shoot in which she was wearing a costume resembling a ss uniform and receiving so much shit for it that she took the pics down.however not one racist comment towards black woman was removed or even called out wtf is up with that? what type of message does that send?!?!

[GroobyKrissy]

Racism has existed on this forum for at least as long as I've been around. Can't comment much on the 2003 - 2006 yrs. The interesting thing about it is that one of the functions of this forum, that I see, is members learning tolerance about alternative genders, sexual orientation, etc. And, of course, racism is really the opposite of tolerance.

And on a less serious note... yes, I agree, Krissy's gotta go. Damn, uppity Asians.

Actually, I just took a nice, long crap in the crapper. Yeah... dwell on that all day too. Anyway, I'm all emptied out... no going for me!

[GroobyKrissy]

Close the interwebz. Krissy just won the interwebz,

I own Al Gore? Awesome!

[amberskyi]

Well since we're being all serious and stuff.

First I must admit that I only read about the first three pages of the maligned (rightfully so) thread in question, along with the last (28, 29) because it just kept making me more and more angry.

That being said, I do think the terms "racism" and "racist" are thrown around far too much. The OP in that thread wasn't racist... just stating a rather unnecessary opinion in a rather blunt (read: idiotic) sort of way. The thread seems to devolve rather rapidly to having SOME racist elements in it... BUT, also just a bunch of stupid, poorly worded, and poorly thought out opinions.

I would say, let us start, from all sides, differentiating between the two.

Personally, I try never to resort to the "racism / racist" term because quite honestly, it is unassailable. Once the term has been used, the very question of whether it should have been used in the first place is, of course, racist. It is a circular argument that has no end and no beginning, which for geometry majors out there, duh... circular.

Clearly racism and racists exist. But so do idiots with big mouths, who are cowards, and who have no hearts, and who just want to spout off opinions and sound educated.

The fact of the matter is, through a forum such as this, it is nearly impossible to actually tell if someone is racist simply because you don't 'know' the person... You KNOW what they type. I think it is VERY, VERY rare when someone actually types something so telling that you can, in fact, state that they are definitively "racist". Almost everything else can be chalked up to opinions, idiotic or otherwise, and / or intentionally inflammatory comments.

Seriously, if I spent my time addressing all the emails I get where someone says, "Oh my god... I love you! ORIENTAL girls are so hot!", I would be constantly on my computer instead of cutting off drivers, running my liquor store, and doing mani-pedi's for right White folks. The racism card has been played out long ago. There are no more aces in the deck. Quite frankly, in this day and age of internet stupidity, there are only dunces with deuces.

ive made this point several times and im tired of having it ignored im not going to type it out againhun so im just going to repost the difference between preference and racism....

"now i totally understand preference.there was a recent thread someone posted about Wolf (the male model in ts porn).i made a comment (because i have worked with him) about how i find him a sweet heart but he's not my type.the op took that to mean i thought he was unattractive which i quickly corrected and said i think he's a very cute guy but i personally prefer men of color.do you see the difference between me calling him ugly because he's Caucasian and saying its not my preference? "

[GroobyKrissy]

ive made this point several times and im tired of having it ignored im not going to type it out againhun so im just going to repost the difference between preference and racism....

"now i totally understand preference.there was a recent thread someone posted about Wolf (the male model in ts porn).i made a comment (because i have worked with him) about how i find him a sweet heart but he's not my type.the op took that to mean i thought he was unattractive which i quickly corrected and said i think he's a very cute guy but i personally prefer men of color.do you see the difference between me calling him ugly because he's Caucasian and saying its not my preference? "

Mmmm... no.

Even if you were to say he was ugly because he was Caucasian... that is not a racist statement. It CAN be interpreted as such. In and of itself though, it is still a preference / opinion which only YOU (the speaker) can judge. No one else can go into your mind and say you are saying that because you harbor some hatred of Caucasians.

Racism is not black and white (haha). Let me tell a story...

I went hiking one day here in Oregon in a predominantly Caucasian portion of the state. On the way back, I was dirty, poorly dressed, and probably smelled terrible. I stopped into a well-known tourist attraction to get a drink. I rarely carry cash and when I go hiking in the backwoods, I usually only take my license and CC. I grabbed my CC, leaving my license in the car. I walked into the store got my drink and was in line at the counter, which was all Caucasian with about 20 people total. Things were taking a while so I kind of glanced ahead to see what the hold up was. Turns out their CC machine was broken so they were doing it old-school by hand.

Now, about 5 people away from the counter, I could hear the transactions. These well dressed, non-sweaty, White Americans were handing over their cards one after the other and the counter person (older, White female) just ran their cards, willy-nilly. No questions asked. Keep in mind, this is a tourist attraction so people were buying T-shirts, logo cups, etc. etc. I had a Coke and chips. When I got to the counter, this person took ONE look at me and said,

"I need to see your ID" and refused to run the transaction.

Now... at this point, I can take this two ways.

A. This person is racist.
B. This person is a shop owner doing her job.

Open to interpretation. What should I have done?

[DCGuy343]

thats bullshit...i have seen comments removed several times due to anti-semitic comments.i even remember Libby posting a photo shoot in which she was wearing a costume resembling a ss uniform and receiving so much shit for it that she took the pics down.however not one racist comment towards black woman was removed or even called out wtf is up with that? what type of message does that send?!?!

There has always been a double standard in regards to this in the world, not just this forum. Unfortunately that will not change anytime soon.

[luvblack77]

My name on this forum says it all about my preference. Yes, I have a strong preference for black transgender women, and yet I respect all people as human beings. I am caucasian myself and so is my mother, my sister and my nieces, and I respect them and love them dearly. Frankly I do not come to this forum or post very often because I do find that many members cross the thin line between preference and racism too often and too blatant. I find this to be the case on many forums where many Americans participate. I was reading in the news that a city demolition crew tore down the wrong house by mistake somewhere in the US, and some of the comments on the forum were full of hatred against Mexicans. Is the Mayor of the town Mexican? I do not think so. Was the demolition crew Mexican? The news report did not say but most likely not, yet racism shows its ugly face even in situations where most people would not even consider it possible.

[GroobyKrissy]

thats bullshit...i have seen comments removed several times due to anti-semitic comments.i even remember Libby posting a photo shoot in which she was wearing a costume resembling a ss uniform and receiving so much shit for it that she took the pics down.however not one racist comment towards black woman was removed or even called out wtf is up with that? what type of message does that send?!?!

1. Not sure what you're referencing here since they are deleted but, Anti-Semitic comments are probably removed due more to sensitivity and taste than to abject "racism", especially if they reference the Holocaust.

2. If Libby removed the pics herself, or petitioned to do so, that is a personal issue / decision then and has no immediate bearing on your argument of this forum censoring (or refusing to do so) Members. Clearly, if you are posing in any military style outfit as a model, you should be prepared for the comments. I actually surprised there isn't more said about the "girls with guns" type shoots.

3. Can you please define what you refer to as "racism"? I'm sorry if I have missed it... like I said, I only read a few pages of that thread.

[broncofan]

thats bullshit...i have seen comments removed several times due to anti-semitic comments.i even remember Libby posting a photo shoot in which she was wearing a costume resembling a ss uniform and receiving so much shit for it that she took the pics down.however not one racist comment towards black woman was removed or even called out wtf is up with that? what type of message does that send?!?!

It sends the message that you're not paying very close attention. There have also been racist comments about African-Americans removed. Not all, but then again not every anti-Semitic comment has been removed.

There are entire diatribes posted about greedy Jews and Jews controlling the media. They are still here and to me I understood that I'd either argue with those people or ignore them. I also figured that not every comment is spotted because thousands are posted and I didn't feel like using the complaint feature since it wasn't that important. You do not notice because I've paid attention to most of your self-referencing posts and they tend to be extremely self-centered.

But if you are interested Amber, I can find the posts for you.

[broncofan]

For Amber
Posted by Solitary Brother on 4-19-2012

"I say fuck the media for piling on Mel Gibson.
He is by far the best director in Hollywood but those greedy Jews only care about money and could not see true creativity until it smacked them in the face.
Do I like the things Mel said?
No.
But those bastards in Hollywood are 100 times more racist than Mel.
I don't own a tv,don't watch many movies at all.
I don't support their fraudulent incestuous system.
We in America have criticed the racism of every group except Jews and that is a conversation America needs to have because they are the biggest hypocrites."

Edit: P.S I'll stop here but you let me know if you're not convinced and I could keep going. You too DCGuy.