escorting shemales vs. non escorting shemales.

[Vicki Richter]

It’s been my experience that some version of the “guys just use us” perspective is common to all women that escort (TS or GG). The explanation for the existence of this “phenomenon” may differ slightly with each woman, but the underlying reasoning is invariably the same. It’s an opinion formed after they experience numerous failed relationships.

I have no doubt that this will anger some people, which honestly isn’t my intention, but I think it needs to be said. So far as the vast majority of escorts are concerned, it’s their own fault. I say this not because they are escorts – which, frankly, isn’t a big deal in and of itself – but because of the culture that tends to accompany any form of escorting (from high-end all the way down to strippers who do “side work”).

There’s something that happens to women after they escort for a while. The creative license that is a necessary part of their work gradually makes its way into every aspect of their lives. Everything, no matter how well-intended, usually becomes a scam, an angle, or part of some ultimately fraudulent representation. Even when dealing with someone that they truly care about, escorts tend to occupy themselves with schemes entailing numerous forms of manipulation. In short, manipulation, lying, and deception become a way of life.
-Quinn

This is profound. Transsexuals tend to be the most distrusting people on the planet. Joanna and others have tried to be friends with Vanity, and instead she brings body guards with her to the local TS club in LA. I am not picking on Vanity, but that is one of many examples. I have been accused of all kinds of things. One girl went so far as to suggest that I told Joey not to hire her. Another girl accused me of telling people I didn't even know she one of her friends was a drug addict. Even close friends at times can turn because of the trust factor even if you've done nothing to lead up to that.

TS don't trust TS outside of their immediate social circles. TS don't trust men. After being around "the scene" men start distrusting TS.

Another big factor is TS aren't good with money for the most part. We waste a lot of money on surgery that we probably don't always need (sometimes it isn't a waste at all). I mean how many people can turn $3000 in a day let alone a week... A lot of people don't make that tax free in a month. A good TS escort could almost make enough to pay cash for a house in 2 years if she was really dedicated and decided that was her goal. She afford SRS in 3 months or a week if she goes to Thailand. She could buy her entire college degree from an in-state university with one month's salary. But girls never want to goto school. Why goto school for five years to make $35k to start out when you can escort and make that in a few months?

I think Yasmin and Mega have some good points here. Greg is right about the sex industry and the fact that there are men willing to have LTR's with TS. The problem is TS want either a broke ass that looks like Tom Cruise, or a rich guy who will immediately take them away from the life "a la - Pretty Woman". The 40+ year old range tends to be the most secure. I met and often hung out with my ex-BF's children, I met his entire family, I met his co-workers. Did he go tell the world "I'm with Vicki Richter" no. But my alter ego was good enough.

I agree the sex industry tends to jade people and that is too bad. I have always kept my ideals. The fact is that porn GG girls like the same losers that TS girls do. It is exactly like Quinn stated. I know many porn girls and many directors who work with them on a regular basis. They date the wrong jobless loser guys and pimps that TS tend to like too. I won't date a jobless guy even if he looks like Clive Owen and mouth like a hoover and a 12" dick that always stays hard. There is no future there. He isn't going to be able to provide for me in the future or even be a partner.
Some girls won't date men at all until they are out of the industry. Most of the girls are broken in a bad way and whatever normal middle class guy they might end up with will have to piece them back together.

So Yasmin don't give up on your ideals. Not all men are like you think they are. I'm going to prove that for the 2nd time very soon.

[BeardedOne]

Ok, this is catchup from the past couple of daze, so please forgive me if I get a little redundant.

from the little knowledge that i have learned within the past month of shemales, it seems a majority escort?
true or false?

False. Basing your conjecture on your time here at HA, it's like walking into a meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous and determining that a majority of people are alcoholics. I mean, really, HA is a pedominantly 'pro' board, per se and it is populated (Mostly, but not all) by profesional women and a fair percentage of men who frequent same ('Frequent' being relative, of course).

Most ts are escorts sweetie.i would say at least 90%.

I beg to differ, Yasmin. Until I stumbled onto HA back in September/October of last year, all of the TS I'd met/known were in the mainstream. Primarily computer related careers with some in illustration or professional writers.

Nice pic, BTW.

MEGA POST

Man, you really make my eyeballs hurt, but I know where you're coming from.

I agree with Mega on alot of those points, with the exception of GG's thinking with their hearts, there's a LOT of GG bitches out there running through men like Poland Spring water bottles....

I think I've dated them all.

To this day, I hold anyone with a vagina under a sort of probabtion when i meet em. since I been hurt and backstabbed way too many times since i was 14.

Do I know you? Oh, wait! It's me!

TRY BEING ON HORMONES THAT SUPRESS YOUR SEXUAL DESIRE,,STAYING HARD FOR 4 TO 5 HOURS SHOOTING A SCENE..IF THAT'S NOT HARD WORK..WELL U GOT ME...OR BETTER YET...SEEING 10 GUYS A DAY SOMETIMES.. MOST U DON'T WANT TO BE TOUCH BY....BUT U PLAY THE PART FOR THE TIME PAID..NOT TO MENTION THE RISK OF GETTING HURT AND OR KILLED MEETING STRANGERS.

Yasmin hits on some good points here, some of which we so take for granted or overlook. To date, I've only been with a couple of T-gurls on an intimate basis, but I saw how they talked or reacted in certain ways that reminded me that these were not your average 'date'. Even on second and third 'dates' they were wary of me and my intentions. I asked one of them about her 'average' day and she said it was not uncommon to have seven appointments in a day. That's a lot of pretending to do in a a single day.

Weve all had our hearts broken by thoughtless and careless people, but I cant imagine just giving up and not being open to the possibility that the next one I meet might finally be the one for me.

Remember, Fear is the Mind Killer....

So...This is why I'm brain dead, eh?

...TO LIVE ONE MONTH AS A WOMAN...

Sorry, can't do that. When I'm mad at someone, I =tell= them, and =why=.

Heh, I couldn't resist that one.

I THINK MARK TWAIN SAYS THIS. (NOT EXACT WORD)."A MAN DON'T PAY FOR SEX, HE PAYS FOR HER TO GO AWAY AFTER SEX)

Gotta love Twain. Whoever said it, it explains where I went wrong in all of my 'relationships'.

That and the fact that women tend to be drawn to men that are bad for them over and over again, and wind up getting screwed up mentally and emotionally to the point where when a decent compatible guy does come along, they find some way of messing it up either through fear of committment or even manufacturing problems in the relationship....Or there abused and are so used to abuse its all they think they deserve and cant be comfortable in a normal relationship.......

*Sigh* It appears we know/date/love the same women.

Over a recent dinner, I told "The Wife" (A title, not a relationship) that women tend to treat their relationships much as they do their cars. They typically desire the muscle cars or misfits (Like a Camaro or Yugo) rather than anything practical or long-lasting. After a period wherein they extole the virtues of the new ride to their friends, saying how great it is and how much fun, they start to ponder new seat covers or how they might have preferred a different color or model.

As small issues begin to develop, they turn up the radio and ignore them. When serious problems surface, they will complain about them to everyone on the planet =except= the one person that can fix it. Finally, when it blows up in their face, they will abandon it by the side of the road and spend the rest of their lives blaming the =car=.

She sat there, staring at me in silence for a bit, and then said "My god! I can't find any flaws in that analogy!" Since then, she's been afraid to have dinner with me.

Anyway, what tricks are basically paying any escort for is a TEMPORARY FANTASY.

Yet, to some small number of us, it is not a fantasy but some small way of having a 'relationship' that clearly hasn't worked otherwise in the normal routine of things.

If you don't enjoy the work, do you really have that much trouble finding another job?

While it may be easy for some to utter "Would you like fries with that?", the rest of us have mortgages, car payments, heating bills, etc. that Quag's (McDonald's) will never satisfy. Add to that the barrage of meds and aftermarket enhancements that are on the lists of most of the gurls, and 'finding another job' is damned near impossible. What if the gurl has other health issues? Oops! No national health care, remember? Going to school? Fuggetaboudit. Would you like to supersize that?

Personally, I hate my job in the real world and wish I had peddled my ass when I was nineteen and hunky (Though, at the start of the AIDS crisis, I surely would have been dead long before now), but I am trapped in it by lack of education (I have neither time nor funds to continue) and a benefits package that I simply can't ignore. So, while I am not an escort, yes, I would have trouble finding another job. Employment is relative to one's situation and it is rare that otherwise sound advice as "Look for another job" can actually be heeded.

Even when dealing with someone that they truly care about, escorts tend to occupy themselves with schemes entailing numerous forms of manipulation. In short, manipulation, lying, and deception become a way of life.

You've just described many of my ex-gf's (And all of my business partners, but that's another story) none of whom were escorts. Perhaps it's a women-are-from-Venus thing.

If a Job oppertunity comes to light, will you turn it down?

Basically would you rather have;

A) $12 an hour honest pay with your pride?

or

B) $200 an hour where you have to swallow your pride and post about how "degrading it is"?

Would you rather work ten hours a day or only two for your goals? Again, it's all relative (And here I am speaking as one who drooled with desire to work for Boston's "T" back when it was paying a measly $10 an hour in the seventies).

This topic evolved from it's original question, I apologize for my part in that, but I'm glad we discussed it.............

Odd, how conversations evolve that way.

What is the typical loser trick?

Hmm......I might qualify. I'm 48, overweight (But not overly so, and I've been losing some of late), geeky, socially inept, yada, yada, yada. You know the drill. I've been with more women (GGs) in the last twenty years than most men =dream= about in a lifetime and enough men to effectively question my sexuality. Yet, not more than eight years ago, I got kicked in the head by a GG 'lover' that so damaged my psyche that I am not likely to ever have a satisfying 'relationship' (With man, woman, or 'tweener') ever again. So, in recent years/months I have turned to the companionship provided by escorts. Bonus points that I scored both tits =and= a dick in the same date. For me, they provide companionship, someone I can talk to without worrying if I'm offending them, some down-n-dirty fucking and sucking that requires only a basic amount of negotiation, and in the end, I don't have to worry about the typical schizophrenic, game-playing, psycho bullshit that I have been buried in by every past 'realtionship' I've had the misfortune to experience. And trust me, the $2-300 an hour 'donation' is far cheaper than the extended therapy, psychotropic meds, lost wages, etc. inherent to the average 'normal relationship'. And I've yet to meet the TS escort that inspired thougths of suicide.

I own a drill and circular saw, I shop at home depot...

Ah, Danielle, you know the =true= 'toy store'.

As to the rest of your post...Oh my!

Funny shit. I predict 10 more pages for this thread.

Am I laughing? No. And there's only six more to go, wiseass.

... anyone who reads posts has some shit wrong with them...trsut me... its a proven science

And so it is, Danielle.

With that, I will take a breather having read only to page 9 so far.

[Vicki Richter]

Something about this board makes people open up. I didn't even know that stuff about Danielle and I'm one of her better friends. That is just wrong D... Very sorry to hear all that chica. I don't know how the mind works to reverse an upbringing like that, but you have to try I think. I don't think TS are hated. I think we are misunderstood. The few articulate girls like yourself and Yasmin, Allanah, etc can do a lot of good. What you said is good for an Oprah. In fact, I would send that story to Oprah and you'd probably get on the show. When people hear tales of incredible sadness like that they can put their hearts out to people or even a social group... in this case transsexuals. This is what a documentary should be about. People don't know us or understand us and I bet they would be very interested.

I know it's hard but a little at a time you know?

Love ya,

V

ps - I used to dress in my sisters cloths when I was 6 and we used to play with her Barbies and horses for years. My mom took some pictures somewhere. I think I will find and post it.

[Onyx]

I love transexual cock in my ass, so can we please stop bickering and get back to seeing hard cocks.

[Trogdor]

Something about this board makes people open up. I didn't even know that stuff about Danielle and I'm one of her better friends. That is just wrong D... Very sorry to hear all that chica. I don't know how the mind works to reverse an upbringing like that, but you have to try I think. I don't think TS are hated. I think we are misunderstood. The few articulate girls like yourself and Yasmin, Allanah, etc can do a lot of good. What you said is good for an Oprah. In fact, I would send that story to Oprah and you'd probably get on the show. When people hear tales of incredible sadness like that they can put their hearts out to people or even a social group... in this case transsexuals. This is what a documentary should be about. People don't know us or understand us and I bet they would be very interested.

I know it's hard but a little at a time you know?

Love ya,


you outta get your own show.....you'd give dr phil a run for his money. and get more male viewers

V

ps - I used to dress in my sisters cloths when I was 6 and we used to play with her Barbies and horses for years. My mom took some pictures somewhere. I think I will find and post it.

[Trogdor]

Something about this board makes people open up. I didn't even know that stuff about Danielle and I'm one of her better friends. That is just wrong D... Very sorry to hear all that chica. I don't know how the mind works to reverse an upbringing like that, but you have to try I think. I don't think TS are hated. I think we are misunderstood. The few articulate girls like yourself and Yasmin, Allanah, etc can do a lot of good. What you said is good for an Oprah. In fact, I would send that story to Oprah and you'd probably get on the show. When people hear tales of incredible sadness like that they can put their hearts out to people or even a social group... in this case transsexuals. This is what a documentary should be about. People don't know us or understand us and I bet they would be very interested.

I know it's hard but a little at a time you know?

Love ya,




V

ps - I used to dress in my sisters cloths when I was 6 and we used to play with her Barbies and horses for years. My mom took some pictures somewhere. I think I will find and post it.

you outta get your own show.....you'd give dr phil a run for his money. and get more male viewers

[YasminLee]

MEGA SWEETIE..U REALLY NEED TO BE MORE CONSIDERATE IN PICKING YOUR TOPICS TO STIR UP FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT..WE ARE ON THIS BOARD NOT JUST FOR FUN BUT UNDERSTANDING, LOVE, AND SUPPORT FROM ONE ANOTHER...WHAT U SAID AND HOPEFULLY NOT TRUELY BELEIVE REALLY HIT ME HARD..NO ONE LIKES TO BE JUDGE...PERIOD..I'M SURE I'M NOT ALONE ON THIS...WE ALL HAVE HURDLES TO JUMP IN LIFE...I'M GONNA WORK REALLY HARD TO CLEAR MINE...WHAT MAKES ME OK AT THE END OF EACH DAY WITH OUR HARDSHIP AS A TRANSSEXUAL IS THAT IS LIVING LIFE...NOT JUST LIVING

[Danielle Foxxx]

I could not help myself...ROFFL

There's a place in
Your heart
And I know that it is love
And this place could
Be much
Brighter than tomorrow
And if you really try
You'll find there's no need
To cry
In this place you'll feel
There's no hurt or sorrow

There are ways
To get there
If you care enough
For the living
Make a little space
Make a better place...

Heal the world
Make it a better place
For you and for me
And the entire human race
There are people dying
If you care enough
For the living
Make a better place
For you and for me

If you want to know why
There's a love that
Cannot lie
Love is strong
It only cares of
Joyful giving
If we try
We shall see
In this bliss
We cannot feel
Fear or dread
We stop existing and
Start living

Then it feels that always
Love's enough for
Us growing
So make a better world
Make a better world...

Heal the world
Make it a better place
For you and for me
And the entire human race
There are people dying
If you care enough
For the living
Make a better place
For you and for me

And the dream we were
Conceived in
Will reveal a joyful face
And the world we
Once believed in
Will shine again in grace
Then why do we keep
Strangling life
Wound this earth
Crucify its soul
Though it's plain to see
This world is heavenly
Be God's glow

We could fly so high
Let our spirits never die
In my heart
I feel you are all
My brothers
Create a world with
No fear
Together we cry
Happy tears
See the nations turn
Their swords
Into plowshares

We could really get there
If you cared enough
For the living
Make a little space
To make a better place...

Heal the world
Make it a better place
For you and for me
And the entire human race
There are people dying
If you care enough
For the living
Make a better place
For you and for me

Heal the world
Make it a better place
For you and for me
And the entire human race
There are people dying
If you care enough
For the living
Make a better place
For you and for me

Heal the world
Make it a better place
For you and for me
And the entire human race
There are people dying
If you care enough
For the living
Make a better place
For you and for me

There are people dying
If you care enough
For the living
Make a better place
For you and for me

There are people dying
If you care enough
For the living
Make a better place
For you and for me

[Buddy Wood]

I just read this whole fucking thread when I should be editing so I figured I should at least chime in. I have a pretty unique perspective on the topic being that I make porn and have met and hung out with many many girls - that and I had dated transsexuals way before I ever thought of getting into porn so it's not just porn-guy perspective. But it's a tough fucking life! No doubt about it. I actually think that's part of my attraction to t-girls. The appreciation for what it's taken not just to become who they are physically - but also just to have dealt with all the other shit. To have just done it. And the girls that don't just deal with the reality of how society percieves them - but that take advantage of it and turn it into a living or what they can out of it - should never never be faulted. It's the world we live in and hopefully it'll get better when more guys start actually dating girls and treating them like girls.

And I just wanted to say Danielle that was a pretty intense story - and did you really just write that on the fly??? That was script worthy. If you're not writing your memoirs - you should be.

Buddy Wood

[andrea744]

wow wow danielle you know all song do you sing? can you sing fro me?