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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    Quote Originally Posted by BBaggins06 View Post
    Uh, Chicago had no concealed carry law until two weeks ago and that never stopped us from leading the nation in shooting deaths ...
    Chicago also a huge metropolitan that is a hop, skip and a jump away from Wisconsin and Iowa. The borders are gun permeable.


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    Nature is not fair. Evolution was never fair. Some people are built stronger than others. You cannot expect a 5 foot tall woman or man to be able to protect themselves against a 6 foot 10" attacker or a mob attack.

    Unless you are Bloomberg and can afford your own security detail, to level the playing field, we need the 2nd amendment, the concealed carry and stand your ground laws.
    So when was the last time you actually needed a gun to protect yourself? Did you know that in the U.S. on July 4 and seven year old was shot and killed by an asshole who pulled out his concealed gun and fired it into the sky in celebration? A gun in your home is more likely to be involved in an accidental shooting or used by family member to commit suicide then actually employed in protecting the family. Guns don't reduce risk of harm, they increase it.


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    "...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.

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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    Quote Originally Posted by trish View Post
    So when was the last time you actually needed a gun to protect yourself?
    Thank God I never had to but these guys had to:







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    Most people never need to ever defend themselves with a firearm. Yeah if you scour the world wide web you can find examples where guns were so used. You can also find examples of idiots accidentally shooting themselves, their children, their neighbors and other examples where idiots escalated a conflict unnecessarily into a gun fight by pulling out their concealed guns.

    What's with the concealed shit anyway? Why not have the balls to carry in the open? Oh yeah, the bad guys will see whose carrying and pick them off first. Fantasy based reason is not reason at all...it's fantasy.


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    "...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.

    "...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.

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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    Quote Originally Posted by trish View Post
    So when was the last time you actually needed a gun to protect yourself? Did you know that in the U.S. on July 4 and seven year old was shot and killed by an asshole who pulled out his concealed gun and fired it into the sky in celebration? A gun in your home is more likely to be involved in an accidental shooting or used by family member to commit suicide then actually employed in protecting the family. Guns don't reduce risk of harm, they increase it.
    Further you cannot change the laws based on few accidents by the low IQ. Accidental discharges do happen and it is unfortunate. The worst accidents are the one caused by police officers themselves.
    A better way to avoid this is the requirement to complete a training course before letting a person acquire a weapon.

    Weapon safety rules are very simple. These are the commandments of every responsible gun owner. They are:

    1) Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
    2) Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.
    3) Keep you finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
    4) Keep weapon on safe until you intend to fire.

    These are easy to remember and live by.


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    It's not a few. It's thousands. And accidents don't just happen to the low IQ, though I admit it takes a pretty low IQ to decide to carry a gun to begin with. Police officers have accidents all the time. Trained veterans. I know the rules, I used to hunt with my father and my brothers. All hunters know the rules. Yet Cheney shot his friend in the face. An acquaintance of mine mistook his father for a turkey. These people are necessarily of low IQ. It only takes acting like idiot once.

    http://accidentalgunshots.tumblr.com/


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    "...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.

    "...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.

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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    Quote Originally Posted by trish View Post
    Most people never need to ever defend themselves with a firearm. Yeah if you scour the world wide web you can find examples where guns were so used. You can also find examples of idiots accidentally shooting themselves, their children, their neighbors and other examples where idiots escalated a conflict unnecessarily into a gun fight by pulling out their concealed guns.

    What's with the concealed shit anyway? Why not have the balls to carry in the open? Oh yeah, the bad guys will see whose carrying and pick them off first. Fantasy based reason is not reason at all...it's fantasy.
    One last point I may add, people who seek to outlaw guns and try to repeal the 2nd amendment (which is a severe impossibility) could just move to a country where guns are already illegal. Americans need not to travel far as Mexico prohibits its citizens from owning a firearm. Needless to say, undoubtedly the situation down there would've been much different if they had a 2nd amendment. But alas, things like this do happen every day to our neighbors:



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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    No one is seeking to repeal the 2nd Amendment. That argument is called misdirection. Just some commonsense restrictions would be nice and perfectly constitutional. Once again, why concealed?

    You're just going to ignore that dead seven year old kid aren't you?


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    "...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.

    "...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.

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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    Quote Originally Posted by trish View Post
    It's not a few. It's thousands. And accidents don't just happen to the low IQ, though I admit it takes a pretty low IQ to decide to carry a gun to begin with. Police officers have accidents all the time. Trained veterans. I know the rules, I used to hunt with my father and my brothers. All hunters know the rules. Yet Cheney shot his friend in the face. An acquaintance of mine mistook his father for a turkey. These people are necessarily of low IQ. It only takes acting like idiot once.

    http://accidentalgunshots.tumblr.com/
    HAHAHA...If you believe Cheney's incident was an accident, then you must be the one with the low IQ. Knowing the man, nothing Cheney does is by accident.





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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    Quote Originally Posted by trish View Post
    No one is seeking to repeal the 2nd Amendment. That argument is called misdirection. Just some commonsense restrictions would be nice and perfectly constitutional. Once again, why concealed?

    You're just going to ignore that dead seven year old kid aren't you?
    I won't ignore him. But if you think I will be moved by your logical fallacy using the appeal to emotion then my dear! you are sorely mistaken.


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