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    Default The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    George Zimmerman was in his car when he saw Trayvon Martin walking in a neighborhood where, in his view, he didn't belong. He called 911 to report a "suspicious guy." A 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman not to follow him. Trayvon Martin called a friend and told the friend that someone was following him. Zimmerman then got out of his car and followed Trayvon Martin on foot, eventually getting close enough to make physical contact. Trayvon Martin was scared, and he asked Zimmerman "why are you following me?" The two men then got into an altercation. Trayvon Martin was shot and killed during that altercation by George Zimmerman.

    In Florida, the use of deadly force is justified in cases where, to paraphrase, you have fear that your life is threatened. In theory, this applies to when you are attacked, or have a justifiable fear of being attacked.

    But what happens when you are the attacker, as George Zimmerman was that night, and then become frightened for your life after putting yourself in a position you never should have been in the first place? Apparently in Florida, killing is then justified.

    The travesty is that Trayvon Martin was a black youth who was walking in a white neighborhood, which was enough to make him "suspicious" in the eyes of George Zimmerman. And, there is a high degree of probability that, had George Zimmerman had not followed him and initiated contact, Trayvon Martin would be alive today because Trayvon Martin was trying to get away from George Zimmerman

    George Zimmerman is a wannabe cop, whose application was rejected due to a poor credit history. He had no business following and then initiating contact with Trayvon Martin; a 911 dispatcher told him not to. He ignored what the dispatcher told him and decided on his own to take what he considered to be the "law" into his own hands and killed Trayvon Martin.

    The undisputed fact in this case is that George Zimmerman would never have feared for his life if he had not done what he was told not to do...he never would have been in "danger" in the first place had he not followed and made contact physical contact with Trayvon Martin.

    So in Florida, if you're white, you can follow a black man who you deem to be "suspicious," initiate contact, get "scared," and then kill him.

    Apparently.


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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    Zimmerman is Hispanic,or at least he was until the last few weeks in the media.


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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    Quote Originally Posted by nysprod View Post
    So in Florida, if you're hispanic, you can follow a black man who you deem to be "suspicious," initiate contact, get assaulted with your head repeatedly slammed into concrete, and then shoot him in self defense.

    Apparently.

    ftfy


    if you spend five minutes listening to the testimony in the court proceedings, how can anyone be surprised he was found not guilty?


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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    Yeah really. Don't let TV news get your knickers in a twist.


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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    Read this on another forum. Just copied and pasted his post.

    "I present to you the facts. I also included my opinion at the end but you can feel free to ignore that part.

    Who:
    • George Zimmerman: - 29 Years Old - Hispanic Male - Insurance Fraud Investigator - Spearheaded a Neighborhood Watch program after a string of burglaries. - Lives in a gated community in Sanford Florida. - Record of Assaulting a Police Officer

    • Trayvon Martin: - 17 Years Old. - Black Male. - Student - Suspended from school for Vandalism - Participated in and refereed illegal MMA fights. - Lives in Miami Gardens, Visiting father's France's house in Zimmerman's neighborhood.

    • Rachel Jeantel - Trayvon's Friend. Originally claimed to be his girlfriend. - Was on the phone with Trayvon during the moments leading up to the shooting. - Originally claimed to be 16. That's why she was not featured before the trial. She is actually 19. - Ms. Jeantel has offered a few variations of events. For simplicity we will use the version she gave during the trial.


    Where:
    Sanford Florida. Gated community where Zimmerman lives as well as Tracy Martin's fiancé.

    When:
    February 26, 2012 between 7pm and 8pm. It was raining and getting dark.

    What:
    -Trayvon was visiting his fathers fiancé.
    -Trayvon went to the gas station to get skittles and iced tea.
    -Zimmerman notices Martin walking through people's yards.
    -Zimmerman calls the non emergency line for the Local PD.
    -Zimmerman describes Martin to dispatch and requests a police officer.
    -Zimmerman says These Fucking Punks always get away.
    -Trayvon notices Zimmerman watching him as tells Jeantel it is a creepy ass cracker.
    -Trayvon continues to walk through people'a yards.
    -Zimmerman gets out his his car in order to follow Trayvon and see why he is traveling through people's yards.
    -Trayvon tells Jeantel "The nigga still following me"
    -Trayvon begins to run towards his fathers finances house.
    -Zimmerman begins to run in order to keep sight of Trayvon.
    -Dispatcher hears wind noise and asks Zimmerman what he is doing.
    -Zimmerman states he observing the subject and trying to find an address for the PD to intercept Trayvon.
    -Dispatch tells Zimmerman "We don't need you to do that"
    -Zimmerman stops and loses sight of Trayvon.
    -Zimmerman heads back to his car.
    -Trayvon tells Jeantel that he lost Zimmerman and he is right outside his fathers finances house.

    *Up until this point Zimmerman's story and Jeantel's testimony match. Now the stories diverge.*

    Zimmerman's Version: - As he is walking back to his car Trayvon approaches him and asks, "You got a problem?!" - Zimmerman says "No" - Trayvon says "You do now" - Trayvon attacks Zimmerman and smashes his head into the sidewalk. - Zimmerman draws his weapon while Trayvon is on top and fires into his chest killing him.

    Jeantel's Version: (From Trial) - Trayvon is outside his Fathers finances house. - Trayvon suddenly says, "Oh Shit" - Jeantel hears Zimmerman say, "What you doing here?" - Jeantel then says she hears a bump and wet grass sounds and the phone goes out.

    My opinion: - Jeantel's version doesn't make sense. If Mr. Martin was already at his Father's finances house then the altercation would have occurred there and not over a hundred yards to the north towards Zimmerman's SUV.
    I think what happened was Trayvon doubled back and went looking for Zimmerman. After all he didn't feel he was doing anything wrong and would've been pissed that a white guy was following him as wanted to teach him a lesson.


    I think we had two hot headed individuals that both had opportunities to walk away.
    Unfortunately they didn't and one was killed.
    I believe that Zimmerman had every right to simply observe Trayvon and call the police.
    Unless we can prove that Zimmerman walked up to Trayvon and started a physical confrontation with him then his claim of self defense should be upheld.
    Just because Trayvon was annoyed that a (what he thought was) white guy was following him does not give him the right to use any physical force.
    It all comes down to who threw the first punch. Based on witness testimony and the layout of the neighborhood I believe that Trayvon doubled back and went looking for Zimmerman."


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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    Wasn't the problem that the prosecutor went for murder when manslaughter/culpable homicide would have been a safer bet?

    US prosecutors are elected and so look to pander to their electorate, but this isn't the case in the UK or Scotland, for example.


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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    Quote Originally Posted by Shelf View Post
    Wasn't the problem that the prosecutor went for murder when manslaughter/culpable homicide would have been a safer bet?

    US prosecutors are elected and so look to pander to their electorate, but this isn't the case in the UK or Scotland, for example.
    Yep that was a part of it. Maybe they were trying to pander to the ratings on TV.


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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    here's the link to thread in the political section where this discussion has been ongoing :
    http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=65131


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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    Quote Originally Posted by Shelf View Post
    Wasn't the problem that the prosecutor went for murder when manslaughter/culpable homicide would have been a safer bet?

    US prosecutors are elected and so look to pander to their electorate, but this isn't the case in the UK or Scotland, for example.
    They went for manslaughter also, where jurors only needed to decide that Mr. Zimmerman put himself in a situation that culminated in Mr. Martin’s death.

    Surely, he did that.

    But because of Florida’s laws, prosecutors had to persuade jurors beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Zimmerman did not act in self-defense, which was impossible because there definitely was a fight between the two men, and Zimmerman had injuries.


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    Default Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty

    Tough case, wasn't surprised by the verdict.


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