Peaceful resolution - Iran Nukes

[blahblahblah]

right on, specialk

Exactly.
By the way, is it your face on the avatar, Trish <-- ??

[BeardedOne]

That was a damn good, and very interesting analogy, specialk!

Hell, even I understood that!

And I'm a shitty poker player.

I always thought Texas Hold'em was a hot date in Pampa.

[blahblahblah]

right on, specialk

Exactly.
By the way, is it your face on the avatar, Trish <-- ??

[trish]

not me....wish it was.

[specialk]

Chef, Trish , B-1, McMan....I appreciate the compliments, I'll have to watch my hat size doesn't increase overnight though...LOL You guys keep up the good fight too!

[Vicki Richter]

Well that is definitely a pacifist approach. "Let them get their nukes because they will only use them as a deterent." Brilliant. Yes we and Russia should just distribute them to everyone so everyone is on a level playing field. Nobody will really use them right?

Outside of Chefmike, Iran are some of the most extreme fanatical maniacs on the planet. They suicide bomb at the rate we drink and drive. Why? Because when they die as a martyr they get some crazy 50 virgins to fuck over and over for all eternity. I wonder what the women get. Oh right to be virgins.

Obviously the more countries who get nukes the more the world will be in danger. Those countries could be overrun by regime changes. Those countries could just be unstable enough, or not have security enough in place to prevent the trigger from getting pulled.

Vicki

"With great power comes great responsibility" - Uncle What'shischicken from Spiderman

[hondarobot]

There's some really excellent posts in this thread! I think a big round of applause is deserved for Vicki for starting this thread..

I think the general idea hammered out is that Iran may develop nukes, and there is a slight chance that military action of some sort will result from this occurance or possibility. I don't think war will break out, or even military strikes, personally. I'd have to agree it's a big bluff and when Iran gets some sanctions put on it, it will strengthen anti-western opinions there, bolster the current hard line government. Then back room dealing will get the Iranians to begrudgingly back off from developing nukes, sanctions lifted, but they'll keep that as a future potential threat.

It makes no sense for them to develop nukes. North Korea did (supposedly) because their leader is a "divinely annointed" nutjob. Even if Iran built some weapons, they could never test them because it would be so provacative that Isreal would pound the shit out of them. A device as complex as a nuclear bomb is a hard thing to pull off, the only reason the US is fairly confident in our own weapons is because we've detonated hundreds of them (possibly thousands). We know we can make them work. Iran would never be sure, so launching a missle would be idiotic at worst, slightly comic at best. They also wouldn't, in my opinion, send a bomb in somewhere covertly, precisely because they have announced they are going to make some, maybe, possibly, perhaps. They would be suspect number one unless the target was South Korea or Japan or something.

I agree that the Iranians have a high degree of religeous zealotry complicating their internal politics right now (and for quite some time), but these people are also politicians. They quite often have alterior motives to what they say or do.

But the real question could be "Eventual Peace and Stability in The Middle East" or "How To Remove The Threat Of More Countries Developing Nuclear Weapons", and that's lots more complicated. I'll put on my thinking cap and if I come up with any ideas, I'll post 'em.

[specialk]

Well that is definitely a pacifist approach. "Let them get their nukes because they will only use them as a deterent." Brilliant. Yes we and Russia should just distribute them to everyone so everyone is on a level playing field. Nobody will really use them right?

Outside of Chefmike, Iran are some of the most extreme fanatical maniacs on the planet. They suicide bomb at the rate we drink and drive. Why? Because when they die as a martyr they get some crazy 50 virgins to fuck over and over for all eternity. I wonder what the women get. Oh right to be virgins.

Obviously the more countries who get nukes the more the world will be in danger. Those countries could be overrun by regime changes. Those countries could just be unstable enough, or not have security enough in place to prevent the trigger from getting pulled.

Vicki

"With great power comes great responsibility" - Uncle What'shischicken from Spiderman

Vicki, allow me to go out on a limb and assume your comments were directed at me. If I'm correct I think the points of my post went slightly over your head.

I never suggested we let anyone have nukes in my post. I merely explained what the history of nukes has been used for since we showed the Japanese what they are capable of. Since 1945, noone has used them because everyone is scared to go up in smoke. everyone wants them, because they give you an "edge" militarily. I can't find in my post where I said the US and Russia should pass them out to level the playing field, so pleases don't put words in my mouth. What I did say was that preventing certain countries FROM GETTING nukes can have reprocussions. Major reprocussions. If it were so easy to put our foot down when North Korea and now Iran were going nuke WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE IT....CORRECT? We were against Pakistan and India back in those days too. yet they got em. Consider this. If Iran was really hell bent on nuking Israel, it would be easier to buy a few from North Korea and save the expense and time waisted developing them. I think Felicia explained quite rightly what the translation on Iran's view of Israel. The only wild card in this whole mess is whether Israel with push the panic button and go it alone and make a move. so far they do not have our blessing, but that might not mean shit if they get freaked out. If it doesn't go according to Israel's plan Holy Hell could be to pay for it all.

Let's hope cooler heads prevail, as history has shown. The consequence to showboating or hot headedness isn't very pretty, and all the players know it. Remeber this, tyrants live a pretty comfy lifestyle and even they resist doing the ultimate boneheaded play.

The thing to realy fear is Nukes in the hands of Bin Laden or other ROGUE terrorists, the guys who don't have a comfy country with riches to enjoy. It's the freelance lunatics that are the ones to watch out for. Would Iran give Bin Laden the goods? I'm thinking not. The world instibilty would be too messy and the "nuke players", tyrants and filthy rich don't need it.

A more likely senerio might be Bin Scummo getting some nuclear material or waste to take a desperation shot in the form of a dirty bomb at us or someone else they hate that day.

End of rant

[White_Male_Canada]

Hands off Iran You Mo-Fo`s/sarc off

[hondarobot]

Yah, it's fucked up that some fanatics do shit like stone people to death. Lots of messed up people do lots of messed up things all over the world, it's a fact of life, and it has all sorts of motivations. Using that as an excuse to invade or carpet bomb (or whatever) an entire country of, most likely, very decent normal, non-fanatical people (who don't make the evening news, unlike the weirdos) is idiotic.

I thought you were at least an intelligent guy, but that has now been brought into question.

And if you post another passage from the bible in some ridiculous attempt to make Vicki swoon, I'm going to hurl.