Who runs this country...

[Felicia Katt]

On a more serious note, I'm not making fun of the serious issue of immigration. I'm making fun of the hypocricy Its a complex, divisive issue with no easy answers, and it shouldn't be exploited for political gain, or exploded as a smokescreen for the failure in Iraq or the ongoing eruption of Republican corruption.

FK

[specialk]

On a more serious note, I'm not making fun of the serious issue of immigration. I'm making fun of the hypocricy Its a complex, divisive issue with no easy answers, and it shouldn't be exploited for political gain, or exploded as a smokescreen for the failure in Iraq or the ongoing eruption of Republican corruption.

FK

Well Felicia my love allow me to have some fun with the current crop-o-losers.

[The American Nightmare]

Oh, and hopefully I'm not too late for the bad joke:

Who runs this country...

The illuminati.

[White_Male_Canada]

And despite my mixed feelings on the immigration issue, and it's impact on american labor, let's not forget that we are a nation of immigrants here in the USA...

Every time I hear this bullshit about "they do the work that American's won't do," it's all I can do not to laugh. The reason many working-class and poor Americans no longer take many of the jobs now occupied by illegal immigrants is because the wages have been driven unreasonably low.

Think about it. How many Americans are willing to work landscaping for three dollars an hour? That is now the going rate at the shore. Many of the guys I went to high school with now run crews made up entirely of illegal immigrants that are paid under the table.

-Quinn

So what happens when foreigners who have violated the law are rewarded with citizenship and become Americans?

They`ll be Americans, who won`t want to do jobs that illegals do. So another wave of millions of law breakers flood into your country.Then they are rewarded,become citizens,then more.....etc,etc,. Final result,Aztlan.

http://www.aztlan.net/

The Senate immigration reform bill would allow for up to 193 million new legal immigrants -- a number greater than 60 percent of the current U.S. population -- in the next 20 years, according to a study released yesterday.
"The magnitude of changes that are entailed in this bill -- and are largely unknown -- rival the impact of the creation of Social Security or the creation of the Medicare program," said Robert Rector, senior policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation who conducted the study.
Although the legislation would permit 193 million new immigrants in the next two decades, Mr. Rector estimated that it is more likely that about 103 million new immigrants actually would arrive in the next 20 years.
Sen. Jeff Sessions, Alabama Republican who conducted a separate analysis that reached similar results, said Congress is "blissfully ignorant of the scope and impact" of the bill, which has bipartisan support in the Senate and has been praised by President Bush.
"This Senate is not ready to pass legislation that so significantly changes our future immigration policy," he said yesterday. "The impact this bill will have over the next 20 years is monumental and has not been thought through."
The 614-page "compromise" bill -- hastily cobbled together last month by Republican Sens. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Mel Martinez of Florida -- would give illegal aliens who have been in the U.S. two years or longer a right to citizenship. Illegals who have been here less than two years would have to return to their home countries to apply for citizenship.
Although that "amnesty" would be granted to about 10 million illegals, the real growth in the immigrant population would come later.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...5016-4401r.htm

[trish]

i believe it was Quinn who said

Think about it. How many Americans are willing to work landscaping for three dollars an hour? That is now the going rate at the shore. Many of the guys I went to high school with now run crews made up entirely of illegal immigrants that are paid under the table.

how 'bout we raise the minimum wage to a livable standard and enforce it. then it will be more difficult for employer's to save money by breaking the law using illegal workers.

[Quinn]

i believe it was Quinn who said

Think about it. How many Americans are willing to work landscaping for three dollars an hour? That is now the going rate at the shore. Many of the guys I went to high school with now run crews made up entirely of illegal immigrants that are paid under the table.

how 'bout we raise the minimum wage to a livable standard and enforce it. then it will be more difficult for employer's to save money by breaking the law using illegal workers.

Raising the minimum wage will do little to affect the employment of illegal aliens – the majority of whom are employed off of the books anyway. Unfortunately, currently existing laws regarding the employment of illegal aliens are both ineffective and unenforceable. Any newly enacted laws concerning this issue will be similarly ineffective because influential elements within the GOP have as much of a vested interest in allowing uncontrolled illegal immigration to continue as the Democrats do.

-Quinn

[plainBob]

Trish you said a mouthful in one line. The problem is the minimum wage in the US. 5.15 is min where i live and you cant take care of yourself much less your family on that. The raiseing of the min wage and punishing those who hire illegals will stop the distruction of the US. And yes they are destroying it they overtax the health care services and flood the public schools but dont pay their fair share. They smuggle drugs and could bring in bio, chemical or nuclear weapons. The smugglers dont care, that joke of a 3rd world country called mexico does not care 30% or more of their groos national income is from illegals in the US. My main question was were does mexico a country much like france (mexico gets paid to surrender) get off telling us how we can protect our borders. Mexico only collects 11% of its taxes, it military and police are bought and paid for by drug cartels. Bush allows mexican military to cross into the us anytime it likes. T hey tell smugglers where border patrol are set up. They even print booklets telling these people how to sneak in. All the while acting like they are doing no wroung. Cut all US money to that joke of a 3rd world nation and it is a joke. They dont have control of thier border towns, the drug cartels do.

So back to my main question. Where does this asshole Fox get off telling the US what to do? Maybe he should clean up his own counrty before pointing to ours.

[plainBob]

Felicia loved your thoughts but i never been one that cared about the anthem hell majority of the kids today cant read at a 4th grade lvl. I blame that joke of a education plan of Bush. I'm a school teacher and its hard to want to keep doing the job when your told you cant fail a student when he or she will not do anything. But thats another topic .

[Felicia Katt]

Bush now wants to send 6,000 National Guard to the border, but in 2005 he signed a law to add thousands of border patrol agents along the U.S.-Mexico border and under his proposed 2006 budget, provided only enough funds for just 210 new border agents.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NGOKB837T1.DTL

To put it terms Bush would understand, he was for more border agents before he was against them and before he was for them again. That would be a flip flop flip. or is it a flop flip flop?

As far as the Bush plan to use National Guard, here is what the Dept of Homeland Security thought of the idea:

Well, the National Guard is really, first of all, not trained for that mission,” . “I mean, the fact of the matter is the border is a special place. There are special challenges that are faced there.”
“I think it would be a horribly over-expensive and very difficult way to manage this problem,” “Unless you would be prepared to leave those people in the National Guard day and night for month after month after month, you would eventually have to come to grips with the challenge in a more comprehensive way"

The only thing Bush is trying to grip is his base. And his hands are sweating and that 29 per cent grade is getting more slippery all the time.

FK

[Vicki Richter]

I walked in a large Cesar Chavez rally in AZ a month or two ago. The speakers were speaking spanish over the loudspeakers. There were a bunch of gang members there wearing their colors as well. Gotta love the Raiders gear from head to toe. There were a bunch of drunk guys in pickups cat calling my sister and I. I wouldn't have done it (the walk) on my own, but my sister puts everyone here to shame for being liberal and it was her birthday. It wasn't like I am against it either so I wasn't being a hypocrit. It was a kind of cool experience.

The problem with the immigration movement is just that. There is an expectation of conformity from the majority in the US. Come here, learn to speak english like all the immigrants before you, don't represent gangs at political rally's, etc.