Marvel vs DC

[Quiet Reflections]

I think Marvel crushes DC for movies and Comics but that's not to say that DC doesn't have some great stuff.

[dderek123]

I think part of the reason for the big difference in success is that the character of the two universes seem quite different. IMHO the popular characters of the Marvel universe (the ones that are the subject of big movies) seem more human. So for movie producers they see potential for making an action flick with some bits of romance and comedy mixed in. That's stuff that most people enjoy and so big $$$$$ for everyone involved.

And for the popular characters from the DC universe they seem more epic. Their powers and abilities are so otherworldly it's like they could be gods. Except for the whole secret identity thing, this makes the DC heroes more difficult to to relate to while they are in costume. I always found the romantic parts of the Batman movies to be pretty awkward. So for DC movies the writers probably would find it more tricky to write those characters in to stories that would be the next summer blockbuster. I think it's unfortunate, I really liked the Watchmen and the Dark Knight.

[fab]

Marvel. Way ahead.

[Ecstatic]

For decades, literally, DC totally crushed Marvel on TV and in the movies, from the 40s Superman cartoons to 50s Superman to 60 Batman (camp but classic) to the first and second Superman movies to the first Batman movie. During this time and up to about 2000, all Marvel managed of quality was the Hulk TV show. Then things shifted, and with the exception of the Dark Knight trilogy (and V for Vendetta and Watchmen, which were quite outside the DC universe), Marvel has crushed DC.

The poor Marvel movies (Daredevil, FF 1/2, X-Men 2/3, Spider-Man 3, etc.), while inferior, were still superior to most DC fare, and the great Marvel flicks (Avengers, IM 1/2, Thor, etc.) have towered over DC (again, excepting the Dark Knight). Interesting shift.

DC, however, has fared better on TV, especially with Smallville and Arrow, as well as the animated shows.

lol....hey he was one of the founding member of the Avengers in the comics....so i think it may be good...toh not sure how they can pull it off....plus they need a way to introduce Janet Van Dyne ( Wasp ) too

Also I think from a cinematic viewpoint, Ant-Man would be brilliant to film; especially with the quality of CGI today, an insect-sized human interacting with armies of ants and with a (surely dazzlingly beautiful Janet van Dyne), I think this would have huge, if unexpected, potential.

So why not an Atom movie from DC? The Atom pre-dates Ant-Man, and goes sub-microscopic in size, so the potential would be awesome (but then again, the potential for Green Lantern was awesome, and fell way, way short).

[quote=TempestTS;1314990]Im so tired of the "Superman Origin" retreads - I have no idea why Hollywood cant get it through their head that there's a ton of other great storylines waiting to be made around Superman - Im dying for somebody to do a whole "Doomsday" Death of Superman trilogy of films but they wont do it because they are too chicken shit to kill off the man of steel even for a little while.

Marvel has done slightly better but if I never see another Spiderman origin film again as long as I live I wont have felt I missed anything. [\QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more. There is so much that could be done with Superman, some of which was touched on in Smallville (an uneven, but occasionally brilliant TV show which dragged on too long). Doomsday, Brainiac, Darkseid, the list goes on. Forget origins, Luthor, Lois/Clark relationship, and move on to new ground.

I also like how Marvel has interwoven the current story arcs to create the Avengers and create the Marvel Universe where the characters actually exist in all the films and you never know when someone is going to pop up for a cameo - just like the comics. That never happens in the DC films - each one is a island and you have to forget that there might be other hero's, villains or even world events outside the scope of the film.

So it was in the Silver Age comics, excepting the occasional Flash/GL crossover or Brave and Bold team ups. Each character existed apart from all others. Hardly logical, but Marvel--to perhaps a lesser degree--also falls into this trap.

One thing I know

We need a LOBO film with Frank Miller (sin city) directing and Mikey Rourke needs the lead

Frag that! This would be incredible, and Rourke is the perfect actor to cast in the role.

[TempestTS]

Couldn't agree more. There is so much that could be done with Superman, some of which was touched on in Smallville (an uneven, but occasionally brilliant TV show which dragged on too long). Doomsday, Brainiac, Darkseid, the list goes on. Forget origins, Luthor, Lois/Clark relationship, and move on to new ground.

You mentioned Darkseid... I think I just came....

[GroobyKrissy]

Once DC gets their act together and puts out a Justice League movie, I think they will be on par with Marvel... if it is done well, which means they will have to develop individual characters as Marvel has already done.

I just don't get why DC hasn't already rebooted Wonder Woman, MM, Green Arrow and some of the others in order to keep up. Seems like they're just handing Marvel the throne without even putting up a decent fight.

[effigyc]

I dont think dc should do a justice league movie, it will only be compared to the avengers. they should continue with their animated universe which is 8 kinds of awesome

[Ecstatic]

Once DC gets their act together and puts out a Justice League movie, I think they will be on par with Marvel... if it is done well, which means they will have to develop individual characters as Marvel has already done.

I just don't get why DC hasn't already rebooted Wonder Woman, MM, Green Arrow and some of the others in order to keep up. Seems like they're just handing Marvel the throne without even putting up a decent fight.

Well they have rebooted GA twice, on TV, with the current Ollie darker than ever, actually killing what, a couple dozen criminals already? He's much further into the dark side than even the Dark Knight at this point.

But you're right, WW languishes (for Hera knows what reason), Martian Manhunter was obliquely introduced on Smallville but barely qualifies, Flash has been hung out to dry since the early 90s TV show, GL was a bellyflop...the list goes on. So much material, so little fulfillment.

IF they can provide strong solo ventures for the big guns, then JLA would work. With Darkseid as the the prime enemy, the movie could stand up to Avengers (though the Avengers did have the benefit of Josh Whedon writing and directing). Remember, Avengers were originally Marvel's imitation of the JLA.

[Ecstatic]

You mentioned Darkseid... I think I just came....

Lobo and Darkseid, I see the shadows cast by your black light mind....

[danoblue]

I love Marvel but first bought Batman and DC comics as a kid because of the Batman TV show which I loved [and never thought it was camp. I saw it through a kid's eyes]

DC has made the greatest super hero movie all time and that's:

The Dark Knight Rises-this movie ranks up there with Citizen Kane, Gone With The Wind, The Wizard Of Oz, The Godfather. I remember Heath Ledger from that goofy Knight's Tale movie and really was totally blown away by his performance as the Joker


DC also made the second greatest movie:

Batman Returns with and unbelievable performance by Michelle Pfeiffer and Michael Keaton

While I think Tobey Maguire was mis-cast in Spider-Man, Sam Raimi did such a great job in the first 2 films you forgot about the mis-cast because his execution was so brilliant. Has there ever been a better J. Jonah Jameson than JK Simmons? No he is the greatest.

I really liked the Spider-Man reboot. Cast the right guy for Spidey.

I liked Iron Man 2 better than Iron Man 1. I thought the ending was bad in IR 1.

Green Lantern was also a pretty decent film but I did not like Thor. Thor had too much Asgard and not enough "fish out of water" on earth.

I have a fondness for the first Batman movie with Adam West.

The Avengers was a great roller coaster ride and Josh Whedon did not disappoint.

Big thumbs up for Captain America. So glad they kept it in the past then brought if forward just like the comic book did in the 60s.

A lot of people hated the Halle Barry in Catwoman but boy she sure looked good in that movie.

Big fan of the Wonder Woman TV show and loved it when Emily Deschanel dressed up as WW on Bones. Dead ringer for Lynda Carter. Pudgy [but cute] Debra Winger was also on the show.