We're Not Gay And We're Not Straight

[Ms.Stepford]

I"ll just say it again...if you don't consider yourself straight for being into me, it means that you consider me a man. If I hear the slightest indication that you consider me a man, I wouldn't even get with you for money.

[f-finger]

we are all gay move on

I'd thorougly ransack your butt all day.


yes, I am the romantic type

[EvonRose]

I'm gay, and live my way!

I'm gay, born this way!

I am gay, nothing to say!

I am gay, being gray!

not black nor white

Like a free bird I fly away!

no wrong or right

I will not be swept away!

My birth right!

Society's norm I will not abide

I don't feel bad

only freedom on my side

together lets be glad!

- Evon Rose....

[Fancy fancy]

EvonRose
Keeps us on our Toes

[amberskyi]

This was also about what I said in the first post:

"Are guys like us who are into TGirls totally straight? I say no. We are turned on by male genitalia after all (even though it's "attached" to a feminine form). Let's be real about that."

I read a lot when I first joined about how guys (like me) into TGirls saw themselves as "straight"...I didn't agree with it but I was new and didn't want to come off like a know-it-all or worse, a troll. But I knew at some point I wanted to talk about it because I'm in this.

So now I've been here for a while, I've read a lot, posted, participated etc, and I figured since people were somewhat familiar with me it would be OK to talk about it in a way that was open and non-judgmental. I think I accomplished this because I didn't see one post where the person was offended by my saying that guys into TGirls are not totally straight.

I'm into TGirls...I don't believe I'm totally straight anymore...I just want to be real about it...saying it anonymously on a forum isn't much, I guess, but it's a start.

I'm kinda offended i just see the point of having the same redundant conversations over and over again.I've been on here for three years and these threads get beyond old.

[Rusty Eldora]

Are we trying to put a 2D concept into a 1D line. As in politics:
a single Left Wing - Right Wing doesn't work well. As we are talking here of a Straight - Gay line.

On politics, I see myself as an 80-80 on the chart and I think the transgender community thrives best up in that corner too. (including the admirers)

Problems with just a line -
I am straight male, no attraction to porn or cock, married to straight woman with 2.5 kids - Straight and fits.
I am a straight male but I am in a relationship with a woman that is bi - where does that fit - it doesn't
I am a gay guy doing only hunky studs - very gay and fits.
I am a lesbian that only wants lezzy women and hates guys - gay and fits.
I am bi but my woman is (straight - bi - lezzy) where does that fit.
I am attracted to CD's (either FtM or MtF) - where does that fit.
I am a transgender and I am attracted to (insert anything) - where does it fit.
I am attracted to transgender - where does that fit.

I am not sure where I am but I really enjoy the company of fem tgirls and am happy about it.


I agree this topic is beating a dead horse.

BTW Thank you Amber, EvonRose, and MsStepford for your insight. And yes I would love to be in bed with any or all of you

[my my my!]

It's pretty straight-forward to me. If the transgender person you're attracted to, as a male, identifies as a woman, then it's heterosexual. Sexual orientation, in terms of attraction, is defined relative to gender identity. So if you like trans women, you're either a straight or bisexual guy or a lesbian or bisexual woman. If you like trans men, you're either a straight or bisexual woman or a gay or bisexual man. (Although there are some lesbians who date trans men, but that's an interesting topic all its own.)

So if you're involved with a transsexual woman - who is a woman, by the way - and you are questioning if you're gay or bi, that has more to do with you than with her.

Exactly this.

The problem is , trying to convince or otherwise educate the rest of society who does not think like you. Which is sometimes in itself a futile effort.

To me a transwoman, is just a woman. The physical characteristics don't define her, what defines her, is how she perceives herself. However that might not match up to what most of society "sees". She might feel, perceive, behave, like a woman, but to some of society she will always be a man.

It's all about personal perception. Do you define yourself by society's standards or by your own?

I know people that think, when knowing a couple's genitalia (not my viewpoints):
vagina + vagina = homosexual/lesbian/gay . Of course this includes gg women that do not identify as men, although they might be "studs" or butch. This includes transmen as long as they still have a vagina. I know people that take it even further and say, that even if a transman gets the bottom surgery, they are still in fact a woman biologically.

penis + penis= homosexual/gay . They include of course the cisgender males who are attracted to other males. They include transsexual women , who have or have not had the bottom surgery, regardless if they pass 100% as a woman.

There's also people that say they are in fact a third Gender, and neither female or male, or both. How does society classify that person's relationship with a person who Identifies as their birth gender?
example: Third gender who outwardly looks female (born male) dates cis Male
some of society: might classify this as a homosexual relationship
some of society: might classify this as a heterosexual relationship
some of society: might say "there's no such thing as a third gender , you're either female or male"
some of society: might say "since she is third gender , that makes the cis male that dates her , a 3rdgendersexual (made up the word)"

Then you have the "plumbing" people. Example, Thomas Beattie being a pregnant "man" , while still having a functioning uterus and ovaries.
Some of society: says, he is in fact still a woman, because he has a uterus
some of society: might say, "thomas beattie is in fact a man who is pregnant"

Add that , to the androgynous people that blur the gender lines. Where do they and their partners fit in the whole "gay or straight" spectrum.


And of course I know (and agree with) people that say
A Man= includes transmen that identify, live as, Men.
A woman= includes transwomen that Identify, and live as women.

Can we get everyone to agree some day? Probably Not. There's people that will always believe what they believe (the tired abortion debate proves this)

So to answer the original poster's question.

I am a male (cisgendered), that is attracted to women. That makes me straight. Of course a segment of society is going to say I'm gay/homosexual/bisexual if I date and have sexual relations with a transwoman, regardless of her passability and surgery status.. Do I let that define me? No

[bluesoul]

Why are people so obsessed with labels!!!

i think it helps people understand themselves- who they are and what they like.

if you, for example, label yourself as a gay male, then you know where you fit in, what kind of options are available to you (as far as lgbt community) perhaps even entertainment. there are even education programs available to people that identify that way.

i forget the name of the person that actually pointed out that because the girl who was assaulted in new york city was a transsexual, the lgbt community would actually put more pressure on the cops to get the guys who did it.

so i believe labels are important. people only think they're not important when they don't work in their favor.

in this case, the fact that this question comes up so often obviously means it's not clearly defined. what's disturbing however is that most are so quick to dimiss being labelled as gay, yet when one requires help (or protection) the lgbt community is the first haven that is sought.

[BrendaQG]

i think it helps people understand themselves- who they are and what they like.

if you, for example, label yourself as a gay male, then you know where you fit in, what kind of options are available to you (as far as lgbt community) perhaps even entertainment. there are even education programs available to people that identify that way.

i forget the name of the person that actually pointed out that because the girl who was assaulted in new york city was a transsexual, the lgbt community would actually put more pressure on the cops to get the guys who did it.

so i believe labels are important. people only think they're not important when they don't work in their favor.

in this case, the fact that this question comes up so often obviously means it's not clearly defined. what's disturbing however is that most are so quick to dimiss being labelled as gay, yet when one requires help (or protection) the lgbt community is the first haven that is sought.

That is because we are part of the LGBT community.

Often the discrimination against us overlaps with homophobia.

[robertlouis]

I'm kinda offended i just see the point of having the same redundant conversations over and over again.I've been on here for three years and these threads get beyond old.

....but oddly comforting. I mean, what would we talk about if they weren't always here?

btw.....