The Mars Thread!

[Trogdor]

Those of you who know me know about my fasination with Mars and the possiility that perhaps an advaced, civilized society at time was there before some large cataclysm happened.

I wanted to make a thread where me and other people who have an interest in Mars and its anomolies and discuss what we know, theories and all kinds of that stuff.

Especially with the new probe in Mars orbit. And get this folks...the first images we have receaved are 1.5 meters per pixel....which is quite good, better than what we had before....but by this October, when the probe reaches the close orbit, a camera on the probe will have a reoslution of 11 inches per pixel This means that let's say the probe is miles above my backyard picnic table and I placed a notebook on it. the camera would be able to see that notebook.

Now, the recent images can be seen here http://www.enterprisemission.com/Los...sofBarsoom.htm
Interesting things to see, one must admit.

Now, I was skimming through the site and found info that suggests someone knew about this stuff decades before we knew about it in the 70's.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/forbidden-planet.htm

http://www.enterprisemission.com/corbett.htm

This recent radio interview with hoagland, and on the next section of it, do go into this in better detail than I can.
http://www.martianrevelation.com/radio69b.html *recommend listening to*

And if we can discuss hypdiamensional and tetrahydral properties and physics, this will be even better I think

Arthur C. Clark knew alot of this as well, and he wanted the monolith to be a tetrahedron, but did not want to make it too obvious, so he choose the retangular slab, but kept the 1, 4, 9....the squares of the 1, 2, 3, the ratios of inscribed/circumscribed tetrahedra to their respective spheres (planets). http://www.enterprisemission.com/arthur30.html

I really look foreward to the next several months of what we are going to see with the new probe. So any other Mars watchers out here, please come on in and let's discuss.



Also, as an extra tidbot of fun, this site has some cool stuff as well.
http://www.geocities.com/natethegrea...ctilinear.html

I really do like these ones here of another face.
http://www.geocities.com/natethegreat2u_2000/human.html

http://www.geocities.com/natethegrea...ifference.html


This is the next best thing to actually being able to actually go to Mars, which I pray happens in my lifetime, because I have been following this stuff about Mars since I was 11 years old in early 1991.

So, let's decuss, fellow Mars watchers.


Additional:
Also on the Enterprise site, the "Moon with a View" article is also facinating. Check it out.

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I'm from Venus, sorry LOL

FK

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Been a very, very long time since I read Clarke's The Sands of Mars (one of the best foreshadows of space exploration ever) or Bradbury's Martian Chronicles. Wasn't the original of the obelisk from 2001: A Space Oddessy a tetrahedron? Or a pyramid? I forget. (For those who don't know, the epic of 2001 began with a short story published ca. 1950 called "The Sentinel".) Anyway, I as I recall it, Bradbury had the moons of Mars rise from the wrong horizon.

[Trogdor]

Been a very, very long time since I read Clarke's The Sands of Mars (one of the best foreshadows of space exploration ever) or Bradbury's Martian Chronicles. Wasn't the original of the obelisk from 2001: A Space Oddessy a tetrahedron? Or a pyramid? I forget. (For those who don't know, the epic of 2001 began with a short story published ca. 1950 called "The Sentinel".) Anyway, I as I recall it, Bradbury had the moons of Mars rise from the wrong horizon.

Orginally, the monolith was gonna be a tetrahedron. but the 1,2,3.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/arthur30.html

The monolith is a tetrahedron in disguise. and clark was going to use Saturn, not Jupiter. And the moon mentioned here.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm
Reason he did not was cause they could not render Saturn good in the 1960's. so they used Jupiter. In the film 2010, you might notice some focus on Saturn in some shots.

Clark KNEW about this weird moon decades before we seen the pics of it over the past year and a half ago. And the guys who made those view master reels of that mars space series in the 50's and those space comics in the 50's KNEW about the stuff on Mars 20 years before the Viking probes seen em. The guy who made the comic, he made more comic drawings than any other did worked as a spy in WW2 and dug into the secret societies of germany and the stuff Hitler and Himler were discovering ( remember, Hitler was OBSESSED with stuff like this ) and worked with the guy who made the agency that would become the CIA.

And remember, Hoagland was a scientific adviser for Cronkite and CBS I think and worked in Nasa, and he and Cronkite were pretty much the guys who came up with that golden disk on the space probes we shot out like 30 years ago. And he worked with Sagen. So Hoagland's one of the best guys to learn from on stuff like this, he's not some right wing crackpot or some armagedden peddler.

I honestly think that some big things are gonna happen soon. And even the powers that be can not be able to stop that.

And we are not alone. Just gotta look at that red planet next door to us.

[trish]

good book on Mars: the search for life on MARS by Malcolm Walter.

of course a great fiction trilogy on Mars is Red, Blue and Green Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson.

i've a dispositional bias again the belief that Mars was the home of a civilization prior to ours. No real reason except Sagan's "extraordinary claims" requirement on extraordinary hypothesis. Let me ask though: is there a problem with the temporal window between the formation of the planets and the evolution of life and civilization on those planets; is 4.5 to 5 billion years sufficient for the evolution and demise of civilization on Mars followed by the evolution of civilization on Earth?

on the 2001 issue: my favorite "reading" of the movie is philosophical rather than narrative. Kubrick gives of lots of hints that for him the movie is an affirmation of the Nietsche's Also Sprach Zarathustra. i'm not much of a film buff, but i understand there was some significant disagreements between Kubrick and Clarke on the content of the movie, which is why Clarke late wrote the book.
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I'm constantly following the journey of Mars Exploration Rovers (both Spirit and Opportunity). Although it's probably BS comprised of some photos taken somewhere in Arizona, (you know, the US way..) it's still interesting:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/index.html