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02-13-2013 #51
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Re: Christianity cured his homosexual tendencies...
Nothing wrong with the ideas and intent behind religion, only how people manipulate it.
Nothing wrong with the ideas and intent behind government, only how people manipulate it.
Trends of thought and belief in and of themselves are healthy, it is how some people manipulate and attempt to force those beliefs and ideals on others to gain whatever sort of power they maybe looking for it, be it monetary, emotional or spiritual.
Nothing personal to the what I am sure are the many Christians here but many of the most un-Christ like acts in history of humanity have been done in name of Christ.
I don't know if there is a God but if there is she/he loves all her children regardless of their sexual orientation and in fact there is judgment it would be on charity of heart not judgment of the differences between humans.
Maybe this poor soul who was cured of his homosexuality by Christianity can have his humanity restored by Christ?
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02-13-2013 #52
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02-13-2013 #53
Re: Christianity cured his homosexual tendencies...
Hey Yoda, glad I didn't offend. I appreciate this conversation a lot. You're a good guy in my book.
I just have a few thoughts. My karate example was not meant to show that people may define things differently. I understand that concept. My point was, when you start saying God is truth, knowledge, love, etc. the definition becomes so broad that God can literally be anything and everything. The result is that believers feel justified in arguing that God exists because they can place him anywhere and in anything. It's false logic in my opinion. Here's an example: God is truth, I believe in truth, therefore God must exist. There is no logical link between the two. That is simply not proof of God's existence.
Also, again, much of what you said presupposes the existence of God. Why try to find out how long one of his days is when we can't establish that he exists? How can you say that certain things will bring people closer to Jesus when his existence has also yet to be proven? You can believe that science will bring us closer to God, but, again, that assumes God exists. On a side note, science has brought us farther away from God in my opinion and I'm quite happy it has.
So I guess my overall response is that your "what is God" arguments are premature. Those are arguments that you can have once you've proven his existence. Until then, the question is does God exist at all and, based on the evidence ( or lack thereof), logic tells me he/she does not.
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubblegum."
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02-15-2013 #54
Re: Christianity cured his homosexual tendencies...
According to my believe system, God is those major concept/principles, as well as more. Science has prove the existence of things we cannot see, or hear. Atomic and sub-atomic particles are examples of this. In many cases, their existence is proven by certain effects, not by direct observation. So this would be the case with God. And I argue that the effects are more important, than proving the existence of God. I have used as example, 'cosmic' events. But we haven't gotten to human events. Basic religions say , there are laws and consequences for human behavior beyond the directly observable ones. Heaven and hell are defined a places where people reside, as consequences for their behaviors. But those are theoretical places, as some believe and some don't. So it still goes back to how we each live our lives and the principles that guide us. Many believe, that you have to specifically believe certain things about Jesus, such as his resurrection from the dead, and that's all you need. But that's not what Jesus himself said, according to what I understand. He said we needed to do certain things. I would summarize them to say; 'giving towards life'. When we love, with give for the sake of giving, not for any expected direct reward. If we serve Truth, then we do it for the sake of achieving a greater truth, etc. Sometimes we do expect rewards, but the reward should not be the most important thing, or its not really giving.
The rules for living from God, according to religions, also include prohibiting certain negative behaviors towards others. So just for an exercise; lets say someone come to you with a guaranteed plan that you could, get say one million dollars from some account, with no violence. Perhaps just some direct account access stuff. Would you do it? Why or why not? This is not a set up, to attack you. It's just a discussion about values of living, many of which people believe are from 'God".
Lest you think that this is only about Christianity lets look for a second at Islam. In Islam there is a concept called the 99 names of God (who they call Allah). I most cases they translate into more than one word, but many could be converted to a saying, like "God is Peace". My personal history comes from being a member of a 'New Thought" sub-movement which tries to find common elements among different religions. "The Truth" is one of the 99 names.
Last edited by yodajazz; 02-15-2013 at 07:28 PM.
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02-17-2013 #55
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02-17-2013 #56
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Re: Christianity cured his homosexual tendencies...
Christian cured his homosexual tendencies...
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02-18-2013 #57
Re: Christianity cured his homosexual tendencies...
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02-18-2013 #58
Re: Christianity cured his homosexual tendencies...
nothing cures homosexuality period
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02-18-2013 #59
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Re: Christianity cured his homosexual tendencies...
The very idea that the Christian right in the US speaks of the idea of homosexuality being a curable condition says everything you need to know about these people, who would have rejected Jesus for being a Jew with long hair and beard who embraced a prostitute and spoke against the conventions of the day.
IMHO 21st Century US Christianity is curable by simply getting those people to follow the teachings of Christ rather than trying to revise them to fit twisted political agendas.
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