The "BOTTOM" line...

[Jamie French]

I like what I said better. You're just rationalizing so you don't have to be called the gay because being called the gay is some how a bad thing.

I like your approach Jamie but I'd have something to add. I think there are many words we use that when utterances are made in any other forum than a purely scientific one (specific to the field of that word) then we must consider the colloquial meaning, definitions and allusions attached to that word.

Language and communication is all about shared meanings and even though you may be entirely technically correct in your usage of a term if that is taken to mean something else by the majority of your potential (not necessarily actual) listeners then you have mis-communicated and the truth has been misrepresented.

I'm attracted to pre-op tgirls, but I think to declare my actions or my status as homosexual really betrays a truth - the majority of listeners would take that to mean I sleep with men, and as I have no attraction to men, while I wouldn't be offended at that notion, it's not what I'd be trying to communicate. Neither does saying I'm straight bring the whole story across because this would generally be taken to mean attracted to genetic women. On a more objective look at that truth claim I think there is something fundamentally different about someone who is attracted to genetic women only and someone attracted to pre-op tgirls also. To equate the two leaves out a truth. I don't think bi is adequate (although it may be getting closer) because that suggests that I like men and women. The problem with sexual labels here is that there isn't one for liking genetic women and pre-op tgirls (I like post-op too for the record but the issues discussed here do seem to center around the whole cock issue ... irony anyone?) so any label you try to apply is somewhat of a misrepresentation. People might get offended at being called homosexual and if they do that's a shame, but offense aside I don't think that term rightly communicates what that person 'is' or 'to whom that person may be attracted'.

So many grey areas, so few labels.

Right, bit of an essay already but one addendum. As far as attraction to cock goes I've never seen that as a big dealbreaker for your sexuality. Of course it is traditionally a masculine signifier just as a pussy is a feminine one. But thankfully we live in an incredibly interesting time where medical science is at a point that a person can alter their body to an incredible degree to match their psychology. So absolutist statements like 'a cock is masculine, therefore if you're attracted to cock you're attracted to masculinity' maybe were never true but surely not now.

It's a matter of context. If I see a picture of just a nice bum, am I attracted to it? Well, that depends doesn't it? I can comment on it being a nice bum but until we zoom out and see who's it is I can't really say if I'm attracted to it. A bum can be a shared male and female attribute. It turns out in our time so is a cock. I'm not attracted to a cock on a man, but I am to one on a woman. You know what, it's a fun thing to play with, but due to the wiring in my brain I can only experience that fun if it's in the context of a woman. 'Chasers' seem to be classed as those obsessed with the cock, and I'm sure that can be taken to an unhealthy level, but when we're horny we do tend to focus like that sometimes. When looking at gg porn sometimes all that matters is seeing a really sexy pussy, that's what we want at that moment. But context still applies; that would be ruined for me if the camera zoomed out and it was on a F2M pre-op ts.

Well, I'll stop now. 'Succinct' is not my middle name. I hope I made my point objectively and without any hint of defensiveness. Behind all that stuff and the bullshit from various people it's an interesting topic of sexual identity I think. And clearly an open question for many.

[loveboof]

You consider yourself to be "straight female"...fine...then a man who is attracted to or interacts with you is straight.

Nah - they could both just be wrong... lol

[Jamie French]

Guys are never going to cop to the fact that a penis is a penis is a penis... if we are talking about your sexuality we are not talking about what wrapping paper you prefer, we are talking about the reproductive organs that lay beneath and weather or not you are attracted to them. Turns out if you unwrap a package and there's a penis underneath and the corner of your mouth raises up a little bit... guess what. You like the same toys as all the other gay boys on your block, you just like the ones that come in the pink package rather than the blue.

[Remy757Photog]

Sexual acts don't get to be gay or straight because acts themselves don't have orientations. An act can't be attracted to another act. Only people have sexual orientations.

Well, a female sucking on a penis is not a gay activity, but a male sucking on a penis is. Again, there's nothing wrong with that and if the chasers (by my definition) would realize that they would be able to get over their issues with dating trans women

[nysprod]

I like what I said better. You're just rationalizing so you don't have to be called the gay because being called the gay is some how a bad thing.

So when I look at your avatar pic with your pretty little ass and cock, and I feel myself getting hard and start thinking about what a hot fuck you are, that means I'm either gay or bi?

[RallyCola]

You know a 'confident straight man' would never do that ... lol

oh, i'm confident but...when did i ever say i was straight? i'm not and i'm fine with that.

forgetting personalities altogether...the issue has always been for me how i weigh my attraction to an "image" vs. the person.

i prefer women with diamond or inverted triangle faces and an inverted triangle to hour glass body shape with large breasts. Not all of the women in the world i find amazing fit this description but its my "type" so to speak.

that said...i find some "amateur/cd/tv/traps" physically attractive, because of the stylish and highly suggestive "image" they present with. i have no problem jerking off to anything that makes my dick hard. i would jerk off more quickly to a "trap" than I would a picture of Katie Couric because the former is more physically appealing. that doesn't mean however that i would date/marry a "amateur/cd/tv/trap" because they might not identify as a woman. i don't want to be with a person that just dresses like a woman as a fetish.

the best example i can give is kayla coxx. I have maintained that I am intensely aroused by "kayla coxx" and when "kayla" is performing, i really like what i see. If "kayla coxx" was here now, i'd ruin her for other men (or do my best too fuck her in ways that are illegal in most states). but i have no interest in lexx parker. "kayla" is not a woman...lexx is just a dude that when in drag is damn fine. i just know the difference between being aroused by a persona and attracted to a person. that's all.

when rupaul first debuted nationally with his song...i found the image arousing but i understood that i wasn't attracted to the man behind the makeup...but the performer bending the gender line. rupaul and kayla are characters when when the make up comes off and the feminine clothes get put away, i have no physical attraction to at all.

[Jamie French]

Yeah, but don't feel bad because I'm the fag that took the picture to begin with. You are not alone.

So when I look at your avatar pic with your pretty little ass and cock, and I feel myself getting hard and start thinking about what a hot fuck you are, that means I'm either gay or bi?

[nysprod]

Yeah, but don't feel bad because I'm the fag that took the picture to begin with. You are not alone.

There you go...a wise man once said "just shut up and fuck"...that's excellent advice...

[Jamie French]

When I'm on cam4, Skyping, Facebook, etc... and some dude comes on and say, "Hi my name is John and I'm straight and..." I immediately close the conversation and block the dude. There are few worse turn offs than someone who approaches you and immediately advertises their insecurities by asserting how manly/hetero they are. I like talking to fully functioning, self aware human beings not cartoon versions of men. Women, I never have a problem with - always cool, always real.

[RallyCola]

When I'm on cam4, Skyping, Facebook, etc... and some dude comes on and say, "Hi my name is John and I'm straight and..." I immediately close the conversation and block the dude. There are few worse turn offs than someone who approaches you and immediately advertises their insecurities by asserting how manly/hetero they are. I like talking to fully functioning, self aware human beings not cartoon versions of men. Women, I never have a problem with - always cool, always real.

i call bullshit. men may be insecure about some things and overcompensate for others, but women are, by far, more unstable and less level-headed than men. if i had a nickel for every time some dude did a bipolar shift on me and went from "cool" to "asshole" in 3 seconds, i'd have, maybe 2 nickels. if i had a penny for every time i saw a woman go from "sweet" to "cunt," i'd own the english speaking world.