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    Eternal optimist Junior Poster beatlephil's Avatar
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    Obama cannot take away guns or bullets with an Executive Order. And the gun control NAZIS know this latest attack on gun owners will be as futile as all the past attempts to disarm us legal gun owners.Their only hope is to try to shame us into willingly give up our weapons and put so much heat on the NRA that it won't go to court to knock down the gun control laws no matter how unconstitutional they may be. As I said it will be futile and I certainly have no intention whatsoever of giving up my gun collection which includes several so-called assault weapons. So long as the 2nd Amendment says I can own as many firearms and as much ammo as I want, I will continue to collect them. And if we're going to repeal the 2nd Amendment why stop there, and lets repeal the 1st and 5th Amendments while we're at it. Either the whole Constitution will stand or it won't stand at all.[/QUOTE]


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    Quote Originally Posted by beatlephil View Post
    Obama cannot take away guns or bullets with an Executive Order. And the gun control NAZiS know this latest attack on gun owners will be as futile as all the past attempts to disarm us legal gun owners.Their only hope is to try to shame us into willingly give up our weapons and put so much heat on the NRA that it won't go to court to knock down the gun control laws no matter how unconstitutional they may be. As I said it will be futile and I certainly have no intention whatsoever of giving up my gun collection which includes several so-called assault weapons. So long as the 2nd Amendment says I can own as many firearms ammo as I want, I will continue to collect them. And if we're going to repeal the 2nd Amendment why stop there, and lets repeal the 1st and 5th Amendments while we're at it. Either the whole Constitution will stand or it won't stand at all.
    I get the point that you dont want to give up any weapons. But let me ask you if they are secured and non-operable, and that no one else has access to them? You dont have any children or youth relatives, is one main category of people. I take it that you are not in a relationship, that would have access to your private info. Do you have anyone that has come into your home that has anger, substance, or mental health issues? A more general question is just about safety in general? Would people be more safe, if everyone carried assault weapons? Should pre-schoolers be allowed to carry them. My point is that at some point there should be some limitations of weaponry, in the hands of people. So why not look at adjusting the boundaries for the sake of safety?


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    Quote Originally Posted by beatlephil View Post
    And if we're going to repeal the 2nd Amendment why stop there, and lets repeal the 1st and 5th Amendments while we're at it. Either the whole Constitution will stand or it won't stand at all.
    thats not how amendments work

    Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-...s_Constitution


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    Quote Originally Posted by beatlephil View Post
    Obama cannot take away guns or bullets with an Executive Order. And the gun control NAZIS know this latest attack on gun owners will be as futile as all the past attempts to disarm us legal gun owners.Their only hope is to try to shame us into willingly give up our weapons and put so much heat on the NRA that it won't go to court to knock down the gun control laws no matter how unconstitutional they may be. As I said it will be futile and I certainly have no intention whatsoever of giving up my gun collection which includes several so-called assault weapons. So long as the 2nd Amendment says I can own as many firearms and as much ammo as I want, I will continue to collect them. And if we're going to repeal the 2nd Amendment why stop there, and lets repeal the 1st and 5th Amendments while we're at it. Either the whole Constitution will stand or it won't stand at all.
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    I don't favour a total ban simply because at a practical level it's unenforceable, and in the context of the US's historical culture it would not be accepted. Here in the UK we have tightened our gun control laws with each successive mass killing - three in the last thirty years - because it fits in with our cultural norms and history, and the vast majority of people are entirely supportive of laws which give us amongst the toughest gun controls in the world. We feel safer without guns.

    What I can't understand, however, is the view expressed here which instantly assumes that any call for reasonable control, such as a review of assault weapons and multiple cartridge magazines, implies the intention to take away all weapons. That simply isn't going to happen. Yet the hysterical overreaction of people like Phil will not countenance even the sanest review.

    What a fuckup.


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    Many gun enthusiasts blur the distinction between weapons and manhood. Giving just a little bit on gun control is like giving up the tip of their penis. The thought of it makes them whine like babies. Nevertheless, there will be tighter gun laws in the U.S. in spite of the Freudian identifications. The patient is already strapped to the table. The nurses are already sympathetically calling him a "gun enthusiast" instead of "gun nut." The patient is wincing. The tip's coming off.


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    This is what Sen. Feinstein is working on for January : http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/publ...2-ac8ca4359119



    ...sorry if this has already been posted.



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    Quote Originally Posted by trish View Post
    Many gun enthusiasts blur the distinction between weapons and manhood. Giving just a little bit on gun control is like giving up the tip of their penis. The thought of it makes them whine like babies. Nevertheless, there will be tighter gun laws in the U.S. in spite of the Freudian identifications. The patient is already strapped to the table. The nurses are already sympathetically calling him a "gun enthusiast" instead of "gun nut." The patient is wincing. The tip's coming off.
    Do you really believe that any serious restrictions will actually come about? Surely, we have been here before - public memories are very short.


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    Quote Originally Posted by martin48 View Post
    Do you really believe that any serious restrictions will actually come about?...
    Depends on how seriously one takes circumcision. The NRA is still a wealthy lobby and they will put the brakes on any sort of regulation. But the violent deaths of more than a score of first grade children mowed down by semiautomatic weapons fire is not an easy image for the NRA to live down.

    My Father belonged to the NRA when it was a organization devoted to promoting hunting, the preservation of game-lands and gun-safety. In the sixties the NRA actually supported firearms regulation in the interest of public safety. The ordinary membership hardly noticed when the organization was taken over by survivalist nuts and became the tool of firearms manufacturers. Those who did notice quit. Those who didn't are now learning to their dismay just what kind of crazy organization they've been paying dues to.


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    Guns kill people, in one chilling graph. - Washington Post by Ezra Klein

    This isn’t the merriest graphic we’ve ever posted, but it’s important. The Washington Post’s Todd Lindeman picked through the data on the cause of violent deaths by age and illustrated the results. He included a separate category for suicides, which is important because those are more common than homicides. The results are sobering:

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    Study shows restrictions reduce gun deaths. - CT POST Bob Egelko

    States with the most restrictive laws, including Connecticut and California, have lower rates of gun-related deaths, while states with few limits on firearms have the highest rates.


    http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/...#ixzz2GDhtbwah


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