The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

[trish]

She had two forty fives pointed straight at me...and also a gun.
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[Ben]

Lady Gaga...

[Ben]

Gotta love them boob guns --

[AshlynCreamher]

Gotta love them boob guns --

[dreamon]

Admitting That Gun Control Doesn't Work, DC Mayor Calls For More Gun Control

http://downtrend.com/71superb/admitt...re-gun-control

The great thing about arguing gun control with leftist ninnies is that you don’t have to argue at all; they talk themselves into a corner leaving us pro-2A types free to sit back and laugh. Yesterday at a Navy Yard shooting memorial Washington DC Mayor Vincent Gray made an impassioned speech about the need for more gun control, all the while providing proof that tough gun laws do nothing to reduce crime.
“Residents of our city lost friends and neighbors; they lost mothers and fathers; they lost colleagues and they lost fellow church members,” said Gray.
But how can this be? Washington DC has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. Until recently, handguns were completely banned and the carrying of firearms was prohibited. If gun control laws work, wouldn’t DC be the safest place in the country?
“Our country is drowning in a sea of guns,” continued Gray stealing his material from President Obama.
DC should be an island oasis of safety in this sea of guns because of all the restriction placed on law-abiding citizens, right? Not so fast, Gray brought up the murder of a 14-year old on the streets of DC.
“Senseless gun violence like this is an all-too fact of life here in the District of Columbia and in the nation’s big cities. But it’s a fact of life that we need to stop accepting,” Gray said, continuing, “Why is it that these tragic occurrences never seem to move us any closer to ensure that guns don’t get in the hands of criminals or people who are mentally unstable?”
Wait a second, is he saying that all of DC’s unconstitutional anti-gun laws don’t keep firearms out of the hands of criminals? How’s that for a complete lack of self-awareness?
To hell with the fact that DC’s gun control laws have failed to create a safe city, Gray wants even more restrictions because they are bound to work eventually. He’s even calling for a “holistic” approach to gun control, but doesn’t explain what that is. I am assuming it involves granola, crystals, and yoga.

Unfortunately for the good Mayor, some pesky activist judges have forced the his city to fall into compliance with the 2nd Amendment by saying handgun bans and denying citizens their right to self-defense are unconstitutional. To this, Gray says:
“Those laws are tough laws, and the laws of others are now under attack by Second Amendment advocates who believe in putting the rights of gun owners before community safety.”
To be fair, denying people their 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms hasn’t proven to be a great community safety insurance policy in places like DC and Chicago where guns are severely restricted and the bodies keep piling up.
Gray finishes off his rant with a revised version of the Navy Yard shooting:
“Guns are not the answer, ladies and gentlemen. Guns would not have saved the victims of the Navy Yard.”
From Wikipedia:

Eventually, Alexis jumped out from one of the desks and fired at DeSantis from approximately five feet away, shooting him once in his tactical vest, and the three officers returned fire. DeSantis was uninjured by the gunshot. At 9:25 a.m., Alexis was fatally shot in the head by DeSantis during the gunfight, and his death was later confirmed at 11:50 a.m. [my emphasis]

Guns in the hands of the good guys definitely stopped Aaron Alexis from claiming more victims in his rampage, so it’s not hard to imagine that guns in the hands of office workers could have saved some or all of the 12 victims that day. It’s just too bad the Navy Yard was a “gun-free zone” in the city of DC that, at the time, banned all civilians from concealed carry and a right to self-defense.

[dreamon]

Here's What Happened to Crime in Chicago after Illinois Finally Passed Concealed Carry Law

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...-to-read-this/

On July 9, 2013, a bill to recognize Illinois gun owners’ right to carry concealed firearms was passed by both chambers of the state Legislature. Illinois became the last state in the nation to allow public possession of concealed guns.

Gun control advocates warned that high-crime areas, like Chicago, would only see more violence if residents were allowed to carry guns in public.
In reality, the opposite may be happening.
On Tuesday, the Chicago Police Department announced that the city experienced its lowest murder rate since 1958 in the first quarter of 2014. There were 6 fewer murders than the same timeframe in 2013 — a 9 percent drop — and 55 fewer murders than 2012, police said.
Further, there were reportedly 90 fewer shootings and 119 fewer shooting victims compared to last year. There have also been 222 fewer shootings and 292 fewer shooting victims compared to the first quarter in 2012.
All crime is down 25 percent from 2013 and police say they have confiscated over 1,300 illegal guns in the last three months.
Now, it’s entirely too soon to conclude that the concealed carry law is partly responsible for Chicago’s across-the-board drop in the crime. However, it is not unreasonable to conclude the drop in crime may undercut gun control advocates’ argument that more guns equal more crime.
It should also be noted that the first concealed carry permits were issued in late February, so the decrease in crime can’t yet be attributed to more people carrying guns.
The more telling statistics will be revealed as 2014 marches on. Still, as always, correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation.
Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy called the drop in crime a “trend.” He attributed the drop to the “talent level of individuals” on the police force, “intelligent policing strategies” and other programs. He did not mention the concealed carry law.



Independent Journal Review’s Mike Miller outlines some of the research that has been conducted on the issue:

Gun crime experts John Lott, Jr. and David Mustard made the famous argument in “Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Firearms” that: “When state concealed handgun laws went into effect in a county, murders fell by 8.5 percent, and rapes and aggravated assaults fell by 5 and 7 percent.” More guns mean less crime.
Gary Kleck, PhD., also a gun crime expert, found that the crime deterrence effect of firearms possession is significant: sophisticated statistics suggest three to four crimes are stopped by a handgun than are committed in the United States every year.

Detroit, a longtime progressive city plagued by violent crime, is currently taking an armed stand against criminals. The city’s police chief, James Craig, has advised “fed up” residents to exercise their Second Amendment rights if they feel their life is in danger.
He said criminals should be afraid to break into homes or commit other crimes because it could be the last thing they ever do. Craig also pointed out, “you’re not always going to have time to dial 911.”
As TheBlaze reported last month, the number of fatal self-defense shootings are on the rise in Detroit. There had already been 10 fatal self-defense shootings in the city as of March 27, while there were only 15 in all of 2013.
Time will tell if criminals in Detroit will get the message and think twice before breaking the law. One thing is undeniable, as Craig says, “a lot of good Detroiters are fed up.”
This story has been updated to note that the first concealed carry permits in Illinois were issued in late February.

[trish]

Criminologists attribute the drop in crime rates to four major factors:

"– Long prison sentences, which have lengthened on average since sentencing reform initiatives in many states in the 1990s, have kept more criminals behind bars, albeit at a significant cost to state budgets.
– Improved community policing strategies are sending cops to places where crime is more likely to occur, as a prevention method. Technologies like video surveillance and acoustic sensors, which can hear gunshots before residents report a crime, are improving police response, too.
– A changing drug market has plunged the cost of heroin near historic lows, reducing crime associated with the drug trade. Pollack added that the end of the crack epidemic of the 1990s and 2000s has also contributed to a decline in drug-related violence.
– And an aging population is less likely to commit crimes. The fastest growing segment of the population is seniors, an age at which far fewer crimes are committed.
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Mmmm, I don't see where it says concealed carry. God damn you science.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...precipitously/

[dreamon]

Criminologists attribute the drop in crime rates to four major factors:

"– Long prison sentences, which have lengthened on average since sentencing reform initiatives in many states in the 1990s, have kept more criminals behind bars, albeit at a significant cost to state budgets.
– Improved community policing strategies are sending cops to places where crime is more likely to occur, as a prevention method. Technologies like video surveillance and acoustic sensors, which can hear gunshots before residents report a crime, are improving police response, too.
– A changing drug market has plunged the cost of heroin near historic lows, reducing crime associated with the drug trade. Pollack added that the end of the crack epidemic of the 1990s and 2000s has also contributed to a decline in drug-related violence.
– And an aging population is less likely to commit crimes. The fastest growing segment of the population is seniors, an age at which far fewer crimes are committed.
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Mmmm, I don't see where it says concealed carry. God damn you science.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...precipitously/

Oh, the Washington Post had an editorial on the matter? That must be gospel. What is Maddow's opinion on it? We should just ignore the facts if the Washington Post is involved!

[trish]

Oh, the Washington Post had an editorial on the matter? That must be gospel. ...

I believe if you read the piece you will find it reports on statistics gathered by the University of Chicago Crime Lab, The Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Bureau of Justice Statistics, The FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Program, as well as statistics gathered by the cities of Los Angeles, Indianapolis, Austin, Pittsburgh, El Paso, Memphis, Dallas, Philadelphia, San Jose, Detroit, Phoenix, Chicago, Kansas City, Camden, Columbus and others as well as the research of a number of experts criminologists including Harold Pollack (co-director of the University of Chicago Crime Lab) and James Alan Fox (professor of criminology, law and public policy at Northeastern University.

What is Maddow's opinion on it?

Don't know, don't care. What? Are you stereotyping me?

We should just ignore the facts if the Washington Post is involved!

By facts you mean statistics gathered by the University of Chicago Crime Lab, The Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Bureau of Justice Statistics, The FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Program, as well as statistics gathered by the cities of Los Angeles, Indianapolis, Austin, Pittsburgh, El Paso, Memphis, Dallas, Philadelphia, San Jose, Detroit, Phoenix, Chicago, Kansas City, Camden, Columbus and others as well as the research of a number of experts criminologists including Harold Pollack (co-director of the University of Chicago Crime Lab) and James Alan Fox (professor of criminology, law and public policy at Northeastern University.

[trish]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...exas-park.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...-texas-n314501

Nothing shocking here. Just the logical consequences of U.S. gun culture. Move along.