The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

[trish]

Yea because it's so wrongheaded to shoot someone that is trying to carry out multiple murders. I'm sure the police, once they arrived, just tried to talk to the poor guy... oh wait, that's right, they shot at him. So I guess your position is that a badge makes it OK, but everyone else should have to cross their fingers and hope for the best.

Because it's looney to want to live on streets filled with "armed citizens" and expect that to have an attenuating effect on violence.

[trish]

Ah, that guy is about as "alpha-male" as a flamboyant drag queen singing Tina Turner's greatest hits. Yea, he described himself as an alpha male, but he also wrote "everyone will fear me as the powerful god I am." He was a deeply ill, narcissistic sociopath, but he was no "alpha-male."

The same could be said of anyone one carries a firearm (outside of their job in the military, police etc.). Like a street filled with good guy alpha males with guns are going to stop crime rather than amplify it. It's a testosterone driven fantasy. Time to grow up now.

[martin48]

Let's compromise - let them carry their weapons but they have to have their hormone supply shut down.

Come on guys, must be worth it to get your hands round a firm AK-47

The looney statement is, "too bad there weren't armed citizens..." Like a bunch of testosterone crazed gun lunatics trying to pick off a the driver of a moving BMW behind a tinted windshield isn't going to wreak even more havoc! Put your toys away and grow up.

Just like all gun toting loons, this particular alpha male was proving his worth to the female gender who apparently had enough sense to reject him en mass. So what's the solution? Fill the streets with gun toting good guy alpha males. Then we can have really cool shoots out like in a Sergio Leone western where the good guys always come through. Right? Testosterone cleanup in aisle six.

[Stavros]

"I am more than human. I am superior to them all. I am Elliot Rodger ... Magnificent, glorious, supreme, eminent ... Divine! I am the closest thing there is to a living god."

Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.

[broncofan]

I know you're a bright guy, and a sensible person, so please don't take this as a slight, but I think you may be ignorant as to how firearms work and are typically carried.

Of course I'll accept a minor slight like that for the compliments that preceded it jk. I think you're right about that but I don't think it hampers my ability to argue the main points very much. One doesn't have to be an intravenous drug user to know that they can be harmful to people.

This is a classic case of the rights of the individual to self-determine v. the rights of the state to protect public health. If there weren't a constitutional amendment, it would not even be a close case, as people are forced to cede absolute control of their lives frequently for the benefit of living in a civilized society.

I also think on the issue of public safety it's not a very close call.

[broncofan]

"I am more than human. I am superior to them all. I am Elliot Rodger ... Magnificent, glorious, supreme, eminent ... Divine! I am the closest thing there is to a living god."

Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.

Despite his focus on sex, I think what he really wanted was acceptance. He focused on sex because he thought it was the forbidden pleasure everyone had access to but him. Obviously he had major psychological problems, but at the core of it was loneliness and alienation.

[buttslinger]

Pretend for one brief second that this is the Hell's Angels website, and not the Hung Angels.

Try to explain how sucking a dick isn't being a homo if that dick is attached to a beautiful woman. Make this Biker understand that getting your ass reamed is a safe and groovy experience as long as you use a condom, and all those AIDs cases are ....well. you know, shit happens.

There actually are cases where sexual deviants (rapists and child molesters) get snipped down there, and then they lose all desire to molest. But it's up to the molester, even the courts cringe at the thought of castrating a child molester.

If you live in a West Texas town, work a shitty 40 hour week in the local factory, getting drunk on Friday Night and shooting Stop Signs is healthy.

On the list of things wrong with the USA, I would say there are about 50 different variations of the Economy Crisis that rate above gun control.
THE THING is, all those problems are going to take a real effort to mend, while you could fix lots of gun loopholes by picking up a pen and signing a piece of paper.

Don't go riling up the rednecks while so much is being done with gay rights at this time!!!!

The people who are right about everything are very detached people.

[broncofan]

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The people who are right about everything are very detached people.

I didn't understand your post until I read this line. Being right and convincing people are two different things I agree. .

I have had conversations about guns with "rednecks" before I knew there was a major cultural divide on the issue. Me and this one guy were talking about important issues and suddenly the guy burst out "but they want to take our guns away." I said, "who cares? Are you an adult?". I'm not bragging about being out of touch, but it was my authentic reaction to what I thought was a bizarre outburst. We were just talking about economic fairness and social justice, and this is the sticking point for you?

[broncofan]

But if some of us gun control folks were from West Texas would we have different views? It's depressing but many of us probably would.

I have noticed that the smart pro-gun people tend to become auto-didacts when it comes to how guns work, to the arcane regulations dealing with their ownership and use, as well as the different certifications demarcating each user's proficiency with them. They clearly have a profound cultural significance for some and can't be understood by the rest of us simply by thinking about their functions and risks.

[buttslinger]

I'm a Redskinfan, broncofan, and it took many repeated conversations to make me realize the name "REDSKIN" might be a slur to the millions of native Americans we killed and crammed into concent....reservations.

I'm sure deep down Indians think of ALL Whitemen as murderers.