The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

[buttslinger]

I think there actually is a discussion going on in the NRA whether they are on the side of licensed gun holder Philando Castile or the cop that shot him, I think there is a discussion in the Republican Party whether they are with Trump or Reality, and there even might be a discussion whether Fox News viewers are with Gretchen Carlson or Roger Ailes!!!!!Yikes!!!
I've said before that hitching your wagon to the anti-NRA Star is a loser, .....gun show loopholes and banana clip laws won't change anything, it's a gesture, it has no real teeth. On the street.
While talk is cheap, the medium is the message, and the White Guy in the suit on TV is being replaced by Lester Holt.
Perception is everything??
My first post on this site was asking members if Torrid Tranny Whores carried knives.
I think they do.

[Stavros]

If there is one thing that needs to change, and I think we have discussed it before, training the police how to command and control a situation may help reduce police and gun-related deaths. I saw the footage of a 19 year old called Dylan Noble being murdered-there is no other word for it- and from the beginning it is clear to me that as soon as two officers emerge from their car, guns drawn and pointing at the pick-up truck, shouting at the driver, they have lost control of the situation. From there it gets worse as you have a clear example of an officer whose brain has been left in his car: having shot the teenager who collapses on the ground, in a state of shock, the officer continues to yell at him to raise his hands! And when he fails the helpless victim is shot again until dead. All of this because the officers received a call about a man seen with a rifle, it is not as if they had reason to believe the driver of the vehicle -and they presumably could have run a vehicle check to ascertain the name of its owner- was a latter-day John Dillinger or Jesse James. If every police encounter is going to be a confrontation from the start with guns drawn, the potential for the encounter to go badly wrong must be increased by a factor of at least 50%.

If the message from Louisiana yesterday 'this has to stop' is to mean anything, and if the US cannot or will not do something about its gun culture, then maybe sending police officers back to school would help.

[buttslinger]

Schooling the cops is all you can do, because as an American, Nobody tells me what to do!!!!
The Police police the guys who don't police themselves, and this Nation of ours literally went to war with itself over slavery and state's rights, The Donald hit a CHORD when he said WALL- PAPISTS- MURDERS,and even though every note he hit was a lie, nothing the Democrats can say will stop the blue collar white Republican voters from humming their COUNTRY TUNE.

I love to stir the pot when things get boring down here, but these shootings, and thousands of leftist guerillas descending on Cleveland .....Jesus, even though you are a Jew and an Arab, we need your help!!
If these Demonstrators wear guns, or toy guns, and see CNN cameras watching, I pray the gun debate does not come to a boil this week.

You might even see Ruth Bader Ginsburg sporting dual Colt .45s
There is no sane way to even imagine Donald Trump as President of the United States.

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[trish]

If I’m wrong somebody correct me, but it seems jumping out of the car, guns drawn and shouting, “PUT UP YOUR HANDS” is what police officers are trained to do. I guessing it called something like - using your command voice. What it does is inject emotional energy into a situation where it least needed. If you want to elicit cooperation (in these cases you got to wonder about that ‘if’), you need to diffuse the energy. Ask or (if required) demand calmly, firmly but respectfully. Command is not shouting. Control is not threatening with deadly force.

I fear the spate of recent shootings of civilians and peace officers has only escalated tensions. I beg protestors: do not encourage violence nor react violently. I ask police to do the same. To citizens with guns, don’t be an asshat - leave them at home. If your so stressed over the recent violence, don’t fucking add to it.

You might even see Ruth Bader Ginsburg sporting dual Colt .45s

She had two 45’s pointed straight at me... and also a gun.

[BostonBad]

People are typically very stupid and believe anything they hear from the globalist media. Gun crime is much lower today than it was 20-30 years ago. We have less crime today. This is just another power grab. Take the guns from the people and the powers that be will have total control. Guns offer a last resort for us to protect ourselves when the governments fail.

[trish]

We also have more police on the streets these days, more modern methods of policing and (for good or ill) also a more militarized police force. Fewer people drink to intoxication and commit violent crimes, and the average income per household has increased over those decades. We do see higher rates of gun related deaths and injuries in regions where these factors are minimized.

On the other hand, we (the USA) also have more gun homicides and suicides than any other western nation - not to mention gun accidents and injuries. Moreover, the rate of mass shootings of innocent civilians has tripled since 2011. This is according to the “globalist media” (whatever the fuck that is) as well as the Pew Research Center, the FBI, the Brennan Center for Justice and the National Institutes of Health. (Note funding for the CDC relating to public safety and firearms has been cut since 2010 because Congress already knows how the science will pan out.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...tes-heres-why/

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...rvard-research

[SarahG]

On the other hand, we (the USA) also have more gun homicides and suicides than any other western nation

However much of those would go away if we could ever move past this failed war on drugs that has been responsible for so much gang & drug related gun violence.

As for the suicides, they can be accounted for in the lack of social safety nets in this country. When the '08 depression hit there was an international surge of suicides. Thousands of lives were ended when people lost everything and found no one was there to help them. A statistical abnormality so high it cannot be explained in any other way.

Take as a similar example how... OD deaths are also increasing as people give up hope and look to find a way out. Sure some of these deaths were not meant to be suicides but were accidental. Nonetheless a striking feature of the OD death stats in the US is who they represent. Overwhelmingly the heroin ODs come from rural, unemployed or underemployed, middle aged, white males.

Why this demographic?

I have a hunch: they're realizing the American dream was a farce. They have no job prospects and never again will. Its easy enough to realize when society has winners and loosers, and then figure out which side you're on. These are people who initially believed they had a chance, not knowing or believing that the game was rigged. Meanwhile the other demographics being pounded by wealth inequality have known the harsh reality all along and therefore can escape the existential crisis.

Moreover, the rate of mass shootings of innocent civilians has tripled since 2011.

And we should expect it to get worse and worse, as the global and national quality of life deteriorates as we circle the drain.

A century of bad policies are coming home to roost. Our foreign policies were a failure responsible for radical Islam & its terrorism. Our economic policies are worsening wealth inequality and artificially inventing debt crises that will taken down entire nations. Our intentional ignorance of science and the environment is putting us on track for the worst global warming scenarios. Now throw in peak soil, peak water, peak oil, technological singularity, AI, and unchecked corruption.

The closest parallel in history is the end of the 19th century when industrialization decimated the value of human labor while simultaneously setting most of the 3rd world up for famines. The holocaust killed a little over 7 million people. Making the 3rd world bid against the first world on a global market for food killed three times the amount of people that WW2 did. In a 30 year span the first world saw more than two dozen world leaders assassinated including two US presidents.

This is how the SHFT starts.

[martin48]

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[Ben in LA]

Well...in most places its officially January 20th, 2017. Obama has until 9:00am PST to take everyone's guns. If he's going to do that - as the right have been saying for the last eight years - he'd better hurry the fuck up.

If he doesn't, I expect folks to just admit they were hoodwinked. They won't though.

[Stavros]

Well...in most places its officially January 20th, 2017. Obama has until 9:00am PST to take everyone's guns. If he's going to do that - as the right have been saying for the last eight years - he'd better hurry the fuck up.

If he doesn't, I expect folks to just admit they were hoodwinked. They won't though.

Accorrding to the nominee for Education Secretary, Betsy DeVos, you need guns in school to protect children from 'grizzlies'. Not in Canada -but maybe California?