The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

[broncofan]

The guy was a loon toon, too bad there weren't armed citizens around to put a bullet in his head:

Too bad there never seem to be. If everyone were carrying all the time, and always had the safety of their guns off, and were really good marksman, and always had the guns accessible enough to pull them out this sort of thing wouldn't happen. If there's a country like that I want to live there. I bet that country would also have a great culture and higher education system.

[NYBURBS]

Too bad there never seem to be. If everyone were carrying all the time, and always had the safety of their guns off, and were really good marksman, and always had the guns accessible enough to pull them out this sort of thing wouldn't happen. If there's a country like that I want to live there. I bet that country would also have a great culture and higher education system.

Well, it's unlikely to happen in a state that up until recently was a 'may issue' jurisdiction that almost never 'did' issue permits to people. Btw, many handguns don't have a safety in the way you're thinking, other than the pressure required to pull the trigger. Either way, calling 911 and waiting for the cops to show up obviously didn't help a bunch of people here avoid getting killed or wounded.

[broncofan]

Well, it's unlikely to happen in a state that up until recently was a 'may issue' jurisdiction that almost never 'did' issue permits to people. Btw, many handguns don't have a safety in the way you're thinking, other than the pressure required to pull the trigger. Either way, calling 911 and waiting for the cops to show up obviously didn't help a bunch of people here avoid getting killed or wounded.

If I were in the middle of a shooting spree I'd prefer to have a gun loaded and ready (whatever that involves). I just mean nobody's expecting it. Think of how many people you've walked by in public in the last year let alone decade. Nobody can plan for every contingency. Even if you had the gun in your car, you might not have access to it when you need it.

I think for each individual we're talking about an alignment of the planets where carrying the gun would matter. You could do everything right and then be the one who gets shot from behind. You could do everything right and never come close to being in the vicinity of a shooting spree.

And think about the 10% of people (90% of statistics are made up) who have bad tempers. Who wouldn't pull a gun and start shooting when they're angry, but who might brandish it, or refer to it. And the chance they do it in the presence of someone else similarly disposed and armed...can you imagine how many "self-defense" cases we'd have?

[NYBURBS]

If I were in the middle of a shooting spree I'd prefer to have a gun loaded and ready (whatever that involves). I just mean nobody's expecting it. Think of how many people you've walked by in public in the last year let alone decade. Nobody can plan for every contingency. Even if you had the gun in your car, you might not have access to it when you need it.

I think for each individual we're talking about an alignment of the planets where carrying the gun would matter. You could do everything right and then be the one who gets shot from behind. You could do everything right and never come close to being in the vicinity of a shooting spree.

And think about the 10% of people (90% of statistics are made up) who have bad tempers. Who wouldn't pull a gun and start shooting when they're angry, but who might brandish it, or refer to it. And the chance they do it in the presence of someone else similarly disposed and armed...can you imagine how many "self-defense" cases we'd have?

I know you're a bright guy, and a sensible person, so please don't take this as a slight, but I think you may be ignorant as to how firearms work and are typically carried. Most people with a concealed carry permit have the weapon on their person, not in a vehicle (in fact it's generally a terrible idea to leave a weapon in an unattended vehicle). Moreover, a weapon is generally carried with a magazine inserted and a round in the chamber, so the weapon is actually ready to shoot. Some firearms come with a safety selector switch, others do not.

You're right that you could be armed and still end up dead, and the more firearms out there the more likely you are to have some hot head carrying one, but on the other hand people also have a right to defend their life. Waiting for the police to arrive is almost never going to save anyone. 99% of the time cops show up and take a report about what happened to you, and if lucky arrest the person they believe did it, but rare is the occasion that they are actually there to stop it before the damage is done.

[trish]

The guy was a loon toon, too bad there weren't armed citizens around to put a bullet in his head:

That's a pretty loony statement right there. Anyone who makes such inane comments definitely shouldn't be allow to carry, let alone be on the police force.

[notdrunk]

That's a pretty loony statement right there. Anyone who makes such inane comments definitely shouldn't be allow to carry, let alone be on the police force.

He was a waste of oxygen and space. He should of just hung himself in his room. He stabbed to death three people in an apartment. And, he shot three people to death. He also hit four people with his car causing various injuries. He was going to kill with or without a gun.

http://news.yahoo.com/sheriff-calif-...005331176.html

[trish]

The looney statement is, "too bad there weren't armed citizens..." Like a bunch of testosterone crazed gun lunatics trying to pick off a the driver of a moving BMW behind a tinted windshield isn't going to wreak even more havoc! Put your toys away and grow up.

Just like all gun toting loons, this particular alpha male was proving his worth to the female gender who apparently had enough sense to reject him en mass. So what's the solution? Fill the streets with gun toting good guy alpha males. Then we can have really cool shoots out like in a Sergio Leone western where the good guys always come through. Right? Testosterone cleanup in aisle six.

[NYBURBS]

That's a pretty loony statement right there. Anyone who makes such inane comments definitely shouldn't be allow to carry, let alone be on the police force.

Yea because it's so wrongheaded to shoot someone that is trying to carry out multiple murders. I'm sure the police, once they arrived, just tried to talk to the poor guy... oh wait, that's right, they shot at him. So I guess your position is that a badge makes it OK, but everyone else should have to cross their fingers and hope for the best.

[NYBURBS]

Just like all gun toting loons, this particular alpha male was proving his worth to the female gender who apparently had enough sense to reject him en mass.

Ah, that guy is about as "alpha-male" as a flamboyant drag queen singing Tina Turner's greatest hits. Yea, he described himself as an alpha male, but he also wrote "everyone will fear me as the powerful god I am." He was a deeply ill, narcissistic sociopath, but he was no "alpha-male."

[Prospero]

So the right to bear arms v the ability to easily acquire them.....
as a young Englishman, a student in California, yesterday went on the rampage and shot dead six young women because he was angry that girls ignored him and he was "still virgin". Not a US citizen so no right to have a gun was involved. But clearly this troubled bastard had no problem obtaining his firearm in the US.