TV vs TS

[GroobyKrissy]

Than feel free to also check the DSM ( Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) for what constitutes transsexualism and gender identity disorder.
Also wiki does regulate and edit their content.they'll shift out anything that can't be verified.

Again, if you cannot support your own arguments with minimal usage of other persons' works, then you've really got to wonder if you've formulated an actual opinion at all, or are simply regurgitating what is assumed as correct or popular.

That's great that you can quote manuals and books and Wiki pages, but you've yet to show an actual thought process (in this thread) beyond them. The only opinion you stated was backtracked as a "Oh... not my definition... Wiki's!" statement when challenged. So, you've moved to a more scientific document to placate me. That's nice, but I am interested in seeing you put down in writing YOUR OWN opinions, and then owning those.

The medical / mental health field is also in constant flux, btw... As our collective human knowledge grows, documents like the DSMMD are updated as well. It was once pretty common knowledge that smoking is not harmful to you at all, according to the medical community.

[LibertyHarkness]

i am sure 99% of men using a Tranny dating site dont give a fuck about moral rights , and medical jargon .. they just want to get laid as easy as possible at end of day ..

and the site owners want to make as much money as possible .

[GroobyKrissy]

We all know that GroobyKrissy like to argue for the sport of it so I'm going to end my participation here.

This isn't complicated. CD/DQs know who they are. Early transition transgenders are who they are. And fulltime transwomen know who they are.

Krissy is being obtuse to confuse the point.
There isn't a sliding scale for TG women because CDs/DQs are mostly doing it for kicks and aren't transgendered in the way most of us use it on this board.
It would be like putting a GG escort who wears a strapon with clients in the same category as a female-to-male TG.

No. I like debate. I dislike arguing. There is a difference.

I think it is interesting that you casually throw out an opinion here but are unwilling to back it up with dialogue when challenged.

There is nothing "obtuse" in what I've stated (I don't think that means what you think it means). My questions to you were straightforward and pretty clear. My responses back were pretty straightforward and clear. Is it "obtuse" simply because I disagree with you and would like to challenge what you've stated? A little confused that you've suddenly run into someone who can actually think a bit and asks for answers that you can't give? I know... it's the stilettos. They are powerful things.

What isn't straightforward or clear is your response because you are unwilling to PUT DOWN IN WRITING what your true feelings are or the definitions behind them.

Interesting how now you interject DQ's into the mix, a pretty comical attempt to put some unflattering imagery into your statements.

I haven't EVER stated that there is a "sliding scale" for "TG women". If I have, please quote that for me.

Your last statement is SO LAUGHABLE. I don't even think I need to explain how that analogy doesn't even come close to holding up.

[amberskyi]

Again, if you cannot support your own arguments with minimal usage of other persons' works, then you've really got to wonder if you've formulated an actual opinion at all, or are simply regurgitating what is assumed as correct or popular.

That's great that you can quote manuals and books and Wiki pages, but you've yet to show an actual thought process (in this thread) beyond them. The only opinion you stated was backtracked as a "Oh... not my definition... Wiki's!" statement when challenged. So, you've moved to a more scientific document to placate me. That's nice, but I am interested in seeing you put down in writing YOUR OWN opinions, and then owning those.

The medical / mental health field is also in constant flux, btw... As our collective human knowledge grows, documents like the DSMMD are updated as well. It was once pretty common knowledge that smoking is not harmful to you at all, according to the medical community.

I've already stated opinion and than pointed people to documents that supported my opinion.i don't deal in redundancy.feel free to go back and re read if curious.

[GroobyKrissy]

I've already stated opinion and than pointed people to documents that supported my opinion.i don't deal in redundancy.feel free to go back and re read if curious.

OK, whatever. The timeline says differently but we're way off on a tangent now.

Your original "opinion" was not that (original or an opinion) as you clearly stated later on saying:

"[SIC]...it's not even my definition lol.look up transsexual and trans woman on wiki..."

I would suspect that both you and Giovanna_Hotel both think exactly the same thing but are unwilling to just come out and say it, or at least, have it in writing here that you feel that way:

You judge true Transsexuality on the basis of looks.

You may say otherwise to be PC, but those are your true feelings. As Giovanna_Hotel said, "Just be honest about it". How's that for someone else trying to discern motives and intent? Doesn't feel really great, does it?

[amberskyi]

OK, whatever. The timeline says differently but we're way off on a tangent now.

Your original "opinion" was not that (original or an opinion) as you clearly stated later on saying:

"[SIC]...it's not even my definition lol.look up transsexual and trans woman on wiki..."

I would suspect that both you and Giovanna_Hotel both think exactly the same thing but are unwilling to just come out and say it, or at least, have it in writing here that you feel that way:

You judge true Transsexuality on the basis of looks.

You may say otherwise to be PC, but those are your true feelings. As Giovanna_Hotel said, "Just be honest about it". How's that for someone else trying to discern motives and intent? Doesn't feel really great, does it?

And now you would put words in my mouth when everything I've written stated the exact opposite just so you can have something to really around.you should go into politics lol

[amberskyi]

also i saw what you tried to do there and im sure that you think it was incredibly clever and oh so smart but you havent proven a point.
what you did was completely ignored everything ive said and the intent in which i said it.thats not clever, some would consider it a form of virtual schizophrenia lol

[GroobyKrissy]

And now you would put words in my mouth when everything I've written stated the exact opposite just so you can have something to really around.you should go into politics lol

Well, as a good politician would say:
If you don't state your opinions, I'll state them for you.

The facts are, you haven't stated ANY actual opinions. Let me give you the opportunity to do so by asking two straightforward and direct questions (so as not to be obtuse):

What are YOUR qualifications for using the term 'TS' to describe yourself?

As an OUTSIDER, how do YOU determine if a person dressed in the opposite gender's clothing and describing themselves as 'TS' is, in fact, TS according to your above stated qualifications?

I am going to go take my dog for a walk so I'll be off for a while. Should give you plenty of time to formulate an answer.

[GroobyKrissy]

also i saw what you tried to do there and im sure that you think it was incredibly clever and oh so smart but you havent proven a point.
what you did was completely ignored everything ive said and the intent in which i said it.thats not clever, some would consider it a form of virtual schizophrenia lol

I have no idea to what you're referring to here. Clearly, you must think I am a lot cleverer than I actually am.

[amberskyi]

Well, as a good politician would say:
If you don't state your opinions, I'll state them for you.

The facts are, you haven't stated ANY actual opinions. Let me give you the opportunity to do so by asking two straightforward and direct questions (so as not to be obtuse):

What are YOUR qualifications for using the term 'TS' to describe yourself?

As an OUTSIDER, how do YOU determine if a person dressed in the opposite gender's clothing and describing themselves as 'TS' is, in fact, TS according to your above stated qualifications?

once and for all in my own words a transsexaul is a person whos feels like woman on the inside and has had these feelings most of their life.sorry if my opinion coincides with certain "facts".
i wouldnt judge on someone on whether or not theyre a ts on looks.i would have to get to know the person.shit my mailman could be a ts who just hasnt transitioned yet (or visibly) for all i know.
now im kinda done with this convo.i suspect that you just want to debate for the sake of it like another member said.normally that would be all well in good (i love to exchange ideas,opinions etc) but in this case we're just going in circles and as ive stated before im not fond of redundancy.