TV vs TS

[tsmounting]

Some people are missing my point here. This is no disrespect to TV's or anyone outside of my preference it just seems like an obvious opportunity for improvement in the search functions of these sites. no need to get chippy, if you assume a that unwelcome encounters with a TV equate to finding fat, old, ugly men then you really have missed my point. I should have expressed it more clearly.
Do people not think that a slight adjustment to the advanced search set up would allow for a better user experience when browsing these sites? Whether you prefer TV or TS it's surely better to be able to choose?...

[tsmounting]

Like Krissy said everyone has a place in the world. If they aren't your cup of tea then just pass them by. What may be your Courtney Love might be someone else's Eva Mendez. Just because someone doesn't have certain work done, doesn't change what they identify as. It's all subjective honestly..

No issue with other people's preference, just would like to get to mine a little quick without having to sift through unsuitable prospects. Like you say, it's all subjective so the facility should allow everyone to search accurately for what they want no?

[littletwink]

What I like covers a broad spectrum and luckily for me, almost everything I'm into can be found on this site.

[GroobyKrissy]

Some people are missing my point here. This is no disrespect to TV's or anyone outside of my preference it just seems like an obvious opportunity for improvement in the search functions of these sites. no need to get chippy, if you assume a that unwelcome encounters with a TV equate to finding fat, old, ugly men then you really have missed my point. I should have expressed it more clearly.
Do people not think that a slight adjustment to the advanced search set up would allow for a better user experience when browsing these sites? Whether you prefer TV or TS it's surely better to be able to choose?...

Oh, I got your point. You asked for opinions and I gave mine. As you already stated, your OP wasn't well put, and had some demeaning implications to it.

My point is that you (and you're not alone in doing this) are probably going to get some unwelcome answers because you found it necessary to inject your own opinions (which some might read as quite demeaning to a segment of the greater 'T' community) into what should have been a simple and straightforward question:

Why don't some TS Dating sites do a better job defining and separating the TV's from the TS's? Period.

What you wrote basically sounds as if you ARE putting down TV's and basically saying they are beneath your dignity and thus, should be excluded from search results in TS Dating sites.

I would surmise that many (MANY) of the girls would wish that fat, old, sex-obsessed, etc. etc. men would be excluded as well.

My other point is this: If you start sifting out people because one person has such and such a preference, sooner or later, you're going to be left with a site so exclusive that it won't find an audience.

[amberskyi]

I don't see anything wrong with his post.some men want a woman and others don't.it's a matter of preference and his should be respected as well.
Ps. A tv is a man who has no intentions of ever transitioning and has no feelings of being a woman.I'm not talking about a trans woman in the early stages of her transition.there are guys out there that just dress up for fun or sexual excitement and i don't see why it's a big deal that he wants to avoid those guys

[GroobyKrissy]

I don't see anything wrong with his post.some men want a woman and others don't.it's a matter of preference and his should be respected as well.
Ps. A tv is a man who has no intentions of ever transitioning and has no feelings of being a woman.I'm not talking about a trans woman in the early stages of her transition.there are guys out there that just dress up for fun or sexual excitement and i don't see why it's a big deal that he wants to avoid those guys

Of course you don't... because I do.

What you're saying is COMPLETELY inaccurate. First, his opinion IS being respected... it is just being discussed. I don't get this whole sentiment that if you disagree with someone and want to discuss a point, that means you don't respect the person's opinion. It is this whole, "Ooh... let's not offend anyone" sentiment that seems to pervading society these days. Anyway...

Your second part is inaccurate... as is your definition (it seems to vary by location, etc.). But, for the sake of argument, I'll give it to you.

I'm just going to say this because it is true: You could be as 'TS' as 'TS' should be (whatever that means), but if you don't LOOK the part (i.e. - you don't 'PASS'), you'll basically be labeled as a CD/TV, especially if you're older, not a snappy dresser, or have some other distinguishable feature that is overtly 'manly'.

What you're not allowing for here, is crossover... WHICH EXISTS... for a variety of different reasons, some of which were already mentioned. The point is, from a dating site profile (which I believe was the OP's original wording), you can HARDLY make the snap distinction that a person is a CD/TV or a TS, for the simple fact that being TS is not based on looks AT ALL, nor can you accurately assess the person's motives and determination to "transition".

Now, I will concede this point: Obviously, there are people, like you say, who dress up just for fun. I'm not talking about those people or people who understand the terms and state their profile accurately.

But, life is just not that black and white. It has been proven time and time again that the general "TS" community (such as yourself) is unwilling to concede the point that crossover exists from the CD/TV/old/fat/don't-look-the-part/confused/can't transition for whatever reason side. I think that is sad.

[giovanni_hotel]

For guys strictly into TG women, the terms TV/CD/TG are NOT interchangeable and it's offensive when they're used that way.

This 'one is as good as the other' is just wrong on about every level.
I know some guys don't have a problem being with part timers for a one time sex hookup, but to me that's completely different than being with a trans-chick.

[GroobyKrissy]

For guys strictly into TG women, the terms TV/CD/TG are NOT interchangeable and it's offensive when they're used that way.

This 'one is as good as the other' is just wrong on about every level.
I know some guys don't have a problem being with part timers for a one time sex hookup, but to me that's completely different than being with a trans-chick.

This is a good example of the "There is no crossover" sentiment that I was speaking about.

So, let me press on this a little bit since I am already engaged in this thread.

What is YOUR personal definition of a CD/TV? TG?

What separates the two?

WHY is it offensive if a person who perhaps doesn't understand the full implications of using a certain term uses it?

TO WHOM is it offensive?

I'm not looking to have a long, drawn out psychological debate here, so keep in mind, my posts were in response to the OP's call for search separation on a TS related dating site, and should be kept in that context.

[amberskyi]

Of course you don't... because I do.

What you're saying is COMPLETELY inaccurate. First, his opinion IS being respected... it is just being discussed. I don't get this whole sentiment that if you disagree with someone and want to discuss a point, that means you don't respect the person's opinion. It is this whole, "Ooh... let's not offend anyone" sentiment that seems to pervading society these days. Anyway...

Your second part is inaccurate... as is your definition (it seems to vary by location, etc.). But, for the sake of argument, I'll give it to you.

I'm just going to say this because it is true: You could be as 'TS' as 'TS' should be (whatever that means), but if you don't LOOK the part (i.e. - you don't 'PASS'), you'll basically be labeled as a CD/TV, especially if you're older, not a snappy dresser, or have some other distinguishable feature that is overtly 'manly'.

What you're not allowing for here, is crossover... WHICH EXISTS... for a variety of different reasons, some of which were already mentioned. The point is, from a dating site profile (which I believe was the OP's original wording), you can HARDLY make the snap distinction that a person is a CD/TV or a TS, for the simple fact that being TS is not based on looks AT ALL, nor can you accurately assess the person's motives and determination to "transition".

Now, I will concede this point: Obviously, there are people, like you say, who dress up just for fun. I'm not talking about those people or people who understand the terms and state their profile accurately.

But, life is just not that black and white. It has been proven time and time again that the general "TS" community (such as yourself) is unwilling to concede the point that crossover exists from the CD/TV/old/fat/don't-look-the-part/confused/can't transition for whatever reason side. I think that is sad.

My definition on what it means to be a ts has nothing to do with looks but how the individual feels.it's not even my definition lol.look up transsexual and trans woman on wiki.a Trans woman FEELS like a woman inside.
Not every Trans woman is passable and some TVs are.the distinction lies in their head and hearts.

[giovanni_hotel]

It's the difference between fulltime and part time.

It's the difference between knowing underneath it all your total emotional/psychological/spiritual identity is a WOMAN versus someone who thinks it's fun to pretend to be a girl on Friday nights.

IRL there's really no comparison, but it is frustrating when you read on escort/dating sites that all different trans- categories are lumped together.

Like I said for some guys looking for just a hookup, if 'she' is pretty enough and functional, how that person self identifies after the fact is of no concern to them.

However on a site like HA, there have been multipage thread street fights because CDs and guys into CDs are calling trans-women really men and no so subtly suggest TG admirers are closeted.

I don't know how a cross dresser can call himself transgendered and not understand there's a difference. That's not stupidity. That's intentional IMO.
IMO when a CD tries to get over like that, it's all a part of a scam to ensnare trans-curious hetero men.

There was an expression a friend of mine used to live by on club night outs; if a woman is going to be dumb enough to ask, I'm going to be smart enough to lie.

This is exactly how I view TV/CDs who try to say they're transgendered.
Just be honest about it. Like I said, many guys are just attracted to the superficial femininity of perfume, makeup and clothes..and the genitalia. And if a TV can play the girl role in the bedroom, that's good enough.