Understanding the Dynamics of TGirl Attraction: Part One

[TSLexiWade]

I was surprised by how many of the girls interviewed commented much of their male clientele is looking to get topped.

Each girl experiences ALL types of clientele.. Personally, the ratio of gentlemen being strictly tops is about as equivalent to the number of guys who enjoy being topped. At least it's that way here in Houston.. and every other city I've had the opportunity to visit.

[dezz]

it is good to see more people are willing to accept that human sexuality is much more fluid and dynamic than bi/gay/straight. the majority of people i knew back in texas didn't necessarily feel this way, even my lgbt friends, which can lead to a lot of self doubt. The male form isn't necessarily attractive to me, but if I'm in a club having fun and someone can dance I'm not going to run away just because they're a man that's how you miss out on free drinks (I am much more selective about dancing with men though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). it seems like we're always to accept the dynamism of the human being until it comes to their sexuality

[LongTom101]

thats interesting. like what?

Again I'm purely speaking for myself and my tastes which may coincide at times with others and on the other hand may not coincide at all; with that in mind, here goes.

With GGs I'm hugely turned on by penetrative sex, and in a variety of positions.

With a sexy GG I often have that deep, pit of the stomach, lump in the throat hunger of absolutely hankering to fuck her.

With Tgirls its almost never about the penetration, and the thought of penetrative sex with a Tgirl only very, very occasionally turns me on.

And when it does happen, I generally find penetrative sex with a TG a bit of a chore, hard work even, whereas with GGs its usually easy and flowing, effortless on a really good day.

With Tgirls, for me its far more about mutual oral and mutual masturbation, 'heavy petting', and theres also the kinky or exotic aspect of them too that turns me on.

There are also the more obvious physical differences of different genitalia, and the fact that Tgirls generally tend to be stronger, taller, heavier, more sinewy and muscular and more solid all over than GGs.

As for the psychosexual aspects I spoke of, as most on here know, all human beings, whatever their gender, have certain degrees of 'maleness' and certain degrees of 'femaleness'.

This goes beyond mere sex organs and in a nutshell for now I'll just quantify these aspects as a 'vibe'.

I always find the male aspect 'vibe' of Tgirls to be far more prominent and evident than the male aspect 'vibe'of GGs. This just seems obvious to me.

I'm not saying its a bad thing and this isnt a criticism, merely an observation based on my own experience and perception.

And so, due to subconscious?/unconscious?/innate? sensing of this male aspect, vibe or 'aura', I also at times relate subconsciously ?to Tgirls, 'vibewise', on a male-male level, to a far greater extent than I ever have or ever would relate with a GG, and her 'male aspect'.

This sounds quite convoluted and it isnt a straightforward thing to explain, but I hope you get the general idea I'm trying to put across ?

Additionally, I have no desire whatsoever to be penetrated by a Tgirl, and a passive/submissive role for me, within the male-Tgirl dynamic, holds very little appeal for me if any. And when viewing porn the same applies.
Not because I think its 'sissy' or 'gay' or an 'assault on my masculinity', rather it purely and simply does not turn me on in the slightest.

Whereas, with a GG, I'm hugely turned on and feel equally at home in both a dominant and a passive role.

All of these factors, for me, make sexual experiences with GGs significantly different to sexual experiences with Tgirls.

Both enjoyable, but different in many ways.

[RyderMonroe]

Again I'm purely speaking for myself and my tastes which may coincide at times with others and on the other hand may not coincide at all; with that in mind, here goes.

With GGs I'm hugely turned on by penetrative sex, and in a variety of positions.

With a sexy GG I often have that deep, pit of the stomach, lump in the throat hunger of absolutely hankering to fuck her.

With Tgirls its almost never about the penetration, and the thought of penetrative sex with a Tgirl only very, very occasionally turns me on.

And when it does happen, I generally find penetrative sex with a TG a bit of a chore, hard work even, whereas with GGs its usually easy and flowing, effortless on a really good day.

With Tgirls, for me its far more about mutual oral and mutual masturbation, 'heavy petting', and theres also the kinky or exotic aspect of them too that turns me on.

There are also the more obvious physical differences of different genitalia, and the fact that Tgirls generally tend to be stronger, taller, heavier, more sinewy and muscular and more solid all over than GGs.

As for the psychosexual aspects I spoke of, as most on here know, all human beings, whatever their gender, have certain degrees of 'maleness' and certain degrees of 'femaleness'.

This goes beyond mere sex organs and in a nutshell for now I'll just quantify these aspects as a 'vibe'.

I always find the male aspect 'vibe' of Tgirls to be far more prominent and evident than the male aspect 'vibe'of GGs. This just seems obvious to me.

I'm not saying its a bad thing and this isnt a criticism, merely an observation based on my own experience and perception.

And so, due to subconscious?/unconscious?/innate? sensing of this male aspect, vibe or 'aura', I also at times relate subconsciously ?to Tgirls, 'vibewise', on a male-male level, to a far greater extent than I ever have or ever would relate with a GG, and her 'male aspect'.

This sounds quite convoluted and it isnt a straightforward thing to explain, but I hope you get the general idea I'm trying to put across ?

Additionally, I have no desire whatsoever to be penetrated by a Tgirl, and a passive/submissive role for me, within the male-Tgirl dynamic, holds very little appeal for me if any. And when viewing porn the same applies.
Not because I think its 'sissy' or 'gay' or an 'assault on my masculinity', rather it purely and simply does not turn me on in the slightest.

Whereas, with a GG, I'm hugely turned on and feel equally at home in both a dominant and a passive role.

All of these factors, for me, make sexual experiences with GGs significantly different to sexual experiences with Tgirls.

Both enjoyable, but different in many ways.

hmmm.. personally i find your opinions to be pretty offensive. y not just sleep with a guy if you're looking to relate to maleness in a partner? to say that trans women are stronger, more muscular, etc is bullshit... you sound pretty gay to me..just that you're a top..

[asianphoenixx]

Each girl experiences ALL types of clientele.. Personally, the ratio of gentlemen being strictly tops is about as equivalent to the number of guys who enjoy being topped. At least it's that way here in Houston.. and every other city I've had the opportunity to visit.

Hi Lexi...I'm Tia Phoenixx...i hope you don't mind I'm replying on your thread.

Like yourself, I'm also interviewed by Peter and i'm glad we share the same experience about clients who see tgirl providers.

Not all of them come to get topped. It's definitely a wrong opinion if people think that clients who seek tgirls, just because they want to be bottomed by us.

However, it's true that functionally is playing a vital role whether or not a tgirl provider will be successful (in making her clients happy), since it's important for the clients to know that we are excited to see them too.

just my 2 cents,

Tia

[danthepoetman]

With GGs I'm hugely turned on by penetrative sex, and in a variety of positions.
With a sexy GG I often have that deep, pit of the stomach, lump in the throat hunger of absolutely hankering to fuck her.
With Tgirls its almost never about the penetration, and the thought of penetrative sex with a Tgirl only very, very occasionally turns me on.
And when it does happen, I generally find penetrative sex with a TG a bit of a chore, hard work even, whereas with GGs its usually easy and flowing, effortless on a really good day.

(Warning: ladies, do not read this as you might find it a little bit vulgar; it’s a guy thing).
I really can’t relate to that, Tom, but not at all. When I look at a cute, delicate, soft being like Ryder or Lexi, I see a girl to the absolute extent of the word, and believe me, I want to fuck her every possible way imaginable, not to talk about everything else I want to do to them. I want to take them, exactly the way I do any girl; there’s not any kind of difference there to me. None.

With Tgirls, for me its far more about mutual oral and mutual masturbation, 'heavy petting', and theres also the kinky or exotic aspect of them too that turns me on.

A penis in itself is not something I’m personally interested in, not even on a girl, and giving oral to a t-woman to me will be more along the line of analingus and organ stimulation, most of what I would do with any woman.

There are also the more obvious physical differences of different genitalia, and the fact that Tgirls generally tend to be stronger, taller, heavier, more sinewy and muscular and more solid all over than GGs.

That is also something with which I have to disagree, Tom. Might be my own physical corpulence, but I’ve never been with a t-woman who seemed muscular or “big” to me. Some tall girls, yes, but I’ve always love femininity to come in all size and form…

As for the psychosexual aspects I spoke of, as most on here know, all human beings, whatever their gender, have certain degrees of 'maleness' and certain degrees of 'femaleness'.
This goes beyond mere sex organs and in a nutshell for now I'll just quantify these aspects as a 'vibe'.
I always find the male aspect 'vibe' of Tgirls to be far more prominent and evident than the male aspect 'vibe'of GGs. This just seems obvious to me.
I'm not saying its a bad thing and this isnt a criticism, merely an observation based on my own experience and perception.
And so, due to subconscious?/unconscious?/innate? sensing of this male aspect, vibe or 'aura', I also at times relate subconsciously ?to Tgirls, 'vibewise', on a male-male level, to a far greater extent than I ever have or ever would relate with a GG, and her 'male aspect'.

One more aspect that I can’t share with you. Today’s g-women often (not always, of course) seem like they hardly want to be women anymore! Every t-woman I’ve met was very, very feminine, some more feminine than many g-women indeed, even on a deep psychological level…
All in all, Tom, as you alluded to, it seems to me you’re indeed presenting very personal feelings, perceptions and tastes maybe a little bit as something relatively objective, when in fact they aren’t in my opinion. I respect your feelings, I respect your practices, but I don’t think they are representative of the reality of relations between men and t-women in general. The interviews present many very interesting elements to describe them; that’s why I appreciated them so much, for my part. And of course, we have to also be particularly careful about what these women are saying about their own feelings on the matter; and in this case, that’s why I felt happy to see the ladies express themselves very freely and openly, in the interviews.


And since I'm feeling a little like we're highjacking the thread here, let me repost the adress of these interviews:
http://www.ynot.com/content/117590-e...lexi-wade.html
http://sexlifecanada.ca/canada/natio...ction-part-one

[danthepoetman]

Hi Lexi...I'm Tia Phoenixx...i hope you don't mind I'm replying on your thread

Tia, allow me to congratulate you also on a very interesting interview. You ladies, Lexi and Tia, showed how articulate and intelligent you both are. It’s good to have you as members of HA and it’s a privilege for all of us guys to be able to exchange with you on a daily basis.

[LongTom101]

hmmm.. personally i find your opinions to be pretty offensive. y not just sleep with a guy if you're looking to relate to maleness in a partner? to say that trans women are stronger, more muscular, etc is bullshit... you sound pretty gay to me..just that you're a top..

I'm not 'trying' to relate to maleness at all, if you read my post properly youd realise that I was referring to the 'male aspect' always being far more and obviously present, far more than any 'male aspect' present in a GG; its not what I'm looking for nor is it what I'm 'looking to relate to', but its there, within them and i pick up on it, whether 'I'm looking for it' or not.

Your 'you sound pretty gay to me' comment sounds like a childish attempt at an insult purely because my honest opinions and proclivities got your panties all in a twist.

Too bad if you dont like it, not my problem.

I'm not sexually attracted to men in the slightest and have never had any male-male experiences, nor desires, which is what makes the attraction to Tgirls for me so unusual. I guess its the highly feminine characteristics combined with the male characteristics that do it for me.

And so what if I genuinely dont have the urge to fuck Tgirls in the same way that I have the urge to fuck GGs ?

You find that offensive ?

Tough !

I know what I like and what I dont like and this seems like an open forum for discussion for most consenting forms of sexuality and I'm genuinely surprised that my comments would cause offence.

But censor or sugarcoat my opinions to appease others, fit in or be popular ??

Not in your lifetime !

Claiming that Tgirls are generally stronger, bigger and more solidly built than GGs (the key word: GENERALLY) isn't an opinion, its a fact (albeit with exceptions - i.e the bell curve distribution); in the same way that men GENERALLY are stronger, bigger and more solidly built than women is a fact, again you dont like that fact, tough, not my problem, but its a simple truth.

Place 10 average fairly representative Tgirls alongside 10 fairly average and representative GGs, and then tell me (primary sexual characteristics aside) there are no clearly evident physical bodily differences along the lines I'd described.

Offensive ?
If truth is offensive, then yeah I agree !

Am also surprised that I'd find such close minded and quick to judge sensibilities so prevalent on a forum of this nature, and I'm not only talking about a few of the reactions to my post; some posters on here do seem to have strong knee jerk negative reactions to certain things and I've noticed much bitchiness evident too; really somewhat akin to the homophobia that I'm sure many on here will have experienced at some point.

[asianphoenixx]

Tia, allow me to congratulate you also on a very interesting interview. You ladies, Lexi and Tia, showed how articulate and intelligent you both are. It’s good to have you as members of HA and it’s a privilege for all of us guys to be able to exchange with you on a daily basis.

thanks.

btw, you are really an early bird. Where do you live?

It's 8.00 am in New Jersey.

I'm about to take a shower, go to the gym and have breakfast.

Let's rise and shine!

[LongTom101]

(Warning: ladies, do not read this as you might find it a little bit vulgar; it’s a guy thing).
I really can’t relate to that, Tom, but not at all. When I look at a cute, delicate, soft being like Ryder or Lexi, I see a girl to the absolute extent of the word, and believe me, I want to fuck her every possible way imaginable, not to talk about everything else I want to do to them. I want to take them, exactly the way I do any girl; there’s not any kind of difference there to me. None.


A penis in itself is not something I’m personally interested in, not even on a girl, and giving oral to a t-woman to me will be more along the line of analingus and organ stimulation, most of what I would do with any woman.


That is also something with which I have to disagree, Tom. Might be my own physical corpulence, but I’ve never been with a t-woman who seemed muscular or “big” to me. Some tall girls, yes, but I’ve always love femininity to come in all size and form…


One more aspect that I can’t share with you. Today’s g-women often (not always, of course) seem like they hardly want to be women anymore! Every t-woman I’ve met was very, very feminine, some more feminine than many g-women indeed, even on a deep psychological level…
All in all, Tom, as you alluded to, it seems to me you’re indeed presenting very personal feelings, perceptions and tastes maybe a little bit as something relatively objective, when in fact they aren’t in my opinion. I respect your feelings, I respect your practices, but I don’t think they are representative of the reality of relations between men and t-women in general. The interviews present many very interesting elements to describe them; that’s why I appreciated them so much, for my part. And of course, we have to also be particularly careful about what these women are saying about their own feelings on the matter; and in this case, that’s why I felt happy to see the ladies express themselves very freely and openly, in the interviews.


And since I'm feeling a little like we're highjacking the thread here, let me repost the adress of these interviews:
http://www.ynot.com/content/117590-e...lexi-wade.html
http://sexlifecanada.ca/canada/natio...ction-part-one

I appreciate your highly considered responses

Like I said, I clearly presented many of my opinions as subjective, not objective; with the exception of what to me are clear quantitative and qualitative objective physical differences between the majority of GGs and tgirls.

I didnt mean that Tgirls are 'muscular' or 'big' per se, but that compared to GGs, in general, Tgirls are bigger and more muscular.
GGs generally have limbs and bodies that are softer and lighter than Tgirls who generally seem to be more toned, firmer and with more evident muscularity, I'm not talking Scwarzenegger here, but you could say 'more athletic looking' and more solidly put together than the average GG.

You could view the population of Tgirls and the population of GGs as separate bell curve distributions.

Regardless of how 'offensive' it might seem to point this out, and regardless of how unhappy it may make some to have this pointed out, the average Tgirls within this bell curve would be generally taller, bigger and stronger than the average GGs within their bell curve.

Its a simple fact.

Take a small relative sample of say 50 Tgirls representative of the wider distribution and similarly take such a representative sample from the GG population, stand them next to each other, and the physical differences, along the lines of what I described, would be clearly evident.